Jay Peak soon to pass 400"

[SnowRider]

This now surpasses many colorado resorts including steamboat by almost 70" vail by almost 70" and Loveland by almost 50". Dont you love the Jay Cloud?:razz:

It will be the only the 5th time since 1982.

 

[ajl50]

And we believe that they actually had 400?
Come on.
300 I could maybe stomach. 400. Sorry- not buying it.
They just take whatever they get at the base and double it for the summit snow total. Add up all those doubled figures and you get 400. It's a bs number.

 

[castlerock]

BS?

Whether one believes the report for Jay or not, the NWS snow depth data always shows significantly deeper snowpack, and snowfall in the general environ of Jay. Check out the daily snowfall graphic

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sf1_today.jpg

Personal experience, as such being anecdotal, skiing at Sugarbush and Jay over the past few years, shows Jay to get more orographic, terrain induced snow in most all of those events. With regards to synoptic storms, they can not make that claim.

The Jay cloud may be a marketing term, but it is a real microclimate phenomena.

 

[billski]

this nws graph is far more interesting.
http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/nsa/index.html?region=Northeast
run animation and watch how the snowpack comes and goes.
then there is cumulative:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sea1_today.jpg
based on this alone, we are at 230 to 269 total seasonal snowfall. Relatively speaking, a lot more than the MRV, but still not near 400.

 

[Newpylong]

400? Yeah right.....

 

[castlerock]

this nws graph is far more interesting.
http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/nsa/index.html?region=Northeast
run animation and watch how the snowpack comes and goes.
then there is cumulative:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sea1_today.jpg
based on this alone, we are at 230 to 269 total seasonal snowfall. Relatively speaking, a lot more than the MRV, but still not near 400.

I believe the cumulative graph is for last year. But the relative numbers are typical. I really like the link.

This year, Sugarbush is reporting just shy of 300" ytd. That corroborates well with Jay reporting just below 400.

If one dismisses Jay at 400, one should also dismiss Sugarbush at 300. The ratios match the NWS graph. I also don't believe the NWS graph shows the granularity required to accurately represent the snowfall in the immediate vicinity of the summits.

Of the non-believers, have any of you actually skied Jay enough times to get a feel for the snow there?

 

[John84]

this nws graph is far more interesting.
http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/nsa/index.html?region=Northeast
run animation and watch how the snowpack comes and goes.
then there is cumulative:
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/nerfc/graphics/snowmaps/sea1_today.jpg
based on this alone, we are at 230 to 269 total seasonal snowfall. Relatively speaking, a lot more than the MRV, but still not near 400.

Your second link is from last season.

 

[ajl50]

If one dismisses Jay at 400, one should also dismiss Sugarbush at 300.

O.K.

 

[awf170]

One thing that has to be understood about Jay snow is the fluff factor. It can snow overnight a foot of uplift snow, but by the time you get there a day or two later it will only be 6 inches even if it never got warm or sunny. So you can't really judge their snow reporting unless you get there right after the snow. Why don't we wait for someone opinion who actually skis there like Riverc0il, NHski, or Meat.

 

[JD]

I love how no one believes us about the snow in NVT. Mansfield stake at 95 inches this A.M. with 354 inches this year. Jay does get more then us. St. patties day they almost doubled our snow total. I wan not a believer until I spent a weekend there and witnessed the Jay cloud in action, it's legit, imo.

 

[castlerock]

I love how no one believes us about the snow in NVT. Mansfield stake at 95 inches this A.M. with 354 inches this year. Jay does get more then us. St. patties day they almost doubled our snow total. I wan not a believer until I spent a weekend there and witnessed the Jay cloud in action, it's legit, imo.

Exactly. I ski NVT all the time. I had a pass a Smuggs for 3 years (in the early 80s) and averaged 60 days a season. I have had a pass at Sugarbush for the past 5 and have been averaging 40-50 days. In lean snow times, I have made the drive up to Jay from the MRV and have never been dissapointed. (one of those days, I had the pleasure of making some runs with NHski.)

To restate my earlier question. Have any of the doubting Thomas's ever been there?

 

[AdironRider]

Ive only been there a few times, but man they sure were good. So take that for what its worth.

I think Jay is kind of 50/50 in terms of snow reporting, in the sense that theres 50% truth and 50% marketing in their snow totals. From what Ive seen, Jay really does get a bunch of snow, snow that you wouldnt believe to be there until you get there and your super pumped type stuff. However 400 inches worth? Thats a TON of snow, even in West Coast standards. From the reports Ive seen this year (outside of Valentines day, they just got plain hammered), that kind of snowfall just hasnt been there.

Summary, Jay gets the most snow in the east, but as a result of that fact, tend to market and hype up this fact just a bit to high kind of thing.

 

[Newpylong]

Hmmm probably went 4-6 times a year from '95-'99 when I lived in Waitsfield. No doubt the place was always burried. 400 inches burried this year? I don't believe it, but whatever, lol.

 

[JD]

I'm not saying their reporting is always accurate either....But with us at 350, I wouldn't doubt it.

 

[riverc0il]

I love how no one believes us about the snow in NVT.

no kidding. jay does occasionally inflate... so maybe 380 instead of 400. whoppie! fact is jay gets the most snow in the northeast for lift serviced skiing and if you are poo poo'ing that number, you probably haven't enjoyed Jay's powder for yourself.

don't take my word for it, the details are in the pictures.

 

[nhski]

Every place probably over reports their totals, we know that none of them ever under report. Jay gets a ton of snow. Don't believe the 400 inches or something pretty close to it? Look at any one of the many TR's from Rivercoil. Better yet, don't believe it, ski the mountains of NH and Maine and leave all of that wonderful goodness to me. I converted from SR to Jay this year. I'm a believer.

 

[eatskisleep]

no kidding. jay does occasionally inflate... so maybe 380 instead of 400. whoppie! fact is jay gets the most snow in the northeast for lift serviced skiing and if you are poo poo'ing that number, you probably haven't enjoyed Jay's powder for yourself.

don't take my word for it, the details are in the pictures.

Great pictures from Friday. Looks like some awesome skiing.

 

[riverc0il]

Hmmm probably went 4-6 times a year from '95-'99 when I lived in Waitsfield. No doubt the place was always burried. 400 inches burried this year? I don't believe it, but whatever, lol.

Only my best season ever after having about 25 days at Jay this year including a few best of my life single days. But that's cool, I appreciate people down playing Jay's snow fall total. Yup, no way. Not a chance Jay got that much snow. Probably about the same about as the Bush actually. Or maybe even Kmart. Might as well ski those areas since the snow fall is similar...

I would like to point out that comparing Jay's snow fall total with places out west is kinda iffy. Places out west do not get the rain/freeze/thaw cycle. For example, the last two weeks in March. Can only imagine what base depths would be like now if not for those two weeks! So western areas can be better with lower snowfall totals due to consistency. This year has been amazingly consistent though once things got going, last two weeks of March excluded.

 

[ccskier]

Alright, Jay does over inflate their snow totals. The problem is that they always report, 6-8 10-14, etc... There is a big difference between summit totals and base totals so they use ther higher of the two. Personally I think there is also a great difference between snow totals on Tramside and Stateside, Stateside being greater. I can first hand account for the snow totals for late Feb, March, and April. It has gotten to the point that I now pick my weekends. I skied about 30-35 days this year, over 50% of them were powder days. At Jay we have been so spoiled this year that I am getting snobby and won't even waste time driving up unless it is for a decent amount of snow. I am however hoping for one long sleeve t and sunglasses day. For all of the complaining about the drought this year, I for one can say I skied some of the best snow since about 2001. It was an indredible March and April.

Sure there is some inflation in the reports, but so be it. If people don't like their reportings, have fun skiing on groomed man made snow elsewhere, more NVT snow for the rest of us.

 

[Newpylong]

No need to get bent out of shape Rivercoil, no one is arguing that the snow isn't the best around at Jay... just the number 400 itself... As for numbers, it doesn't really matter anyway when you're up to your balls in snow so who cares? : )