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Guns off now but looks like we get back in to it tonight and thurs night before the warm air shows up for Fri-Sat. That puts them at about 48 hours into the 100 hours they need, less the effects of the potential melt of course. Either way, it's a good head start for sure. This will be a net gain for them and at this stage of the game it is critical to pull off this race.
 

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I think what they made yesterday and today is irrelevant in the long run. It all comes down to how strong next week's cold blast is. If they really get good snowmaking temps from Sunday straight through the week, then the World Cup still happens. If it even slightly weakens and they don't have a full week of production, time is against them after that.
 

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Not sure about any snowmaking prior to this weekend post storm. Mountain forecast has summits remaining above freezing. MAYBE thereโ€™s an inversion and cold enough at bottom section.

Also whatever hours they get in, you have to subtract due to the melt that is coming. They will have a lot of hours needed starting this weekend, but the longer range forecast indicates they should get it.
 

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Guns off now but looks like we get back in to it tonight and thurs night before the warm air shows up for Fri-Sat. That puts them at about 48 hours into the 100 hours they need, less the effects of the potential melt of course. Either way, it's a good head start for sure. This will be a net gain for them and at this stage of the game it is critical to pull off this race.

Temps don't go back below freezing until late Saturday night.
 

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Guess where it's not above freezing? On the ledge and the grass under 4' - 5' of ice. Also, in general cold will sink and hot will rise. So, the ice will create a series iceotherms to lock in the cold. This is like a tree with its rings. The mountain is the inner core wood and the grass the surface of the heartwood. It's all ball bearings these days.

meow
 

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Further, so the trail is coated in white. This surface color is far better than grass dirt. The white reflect more of the sun's rays leaving the trail much colder. (the ice also cools, butt this is advanced).
 

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Just checked the webcam. They're running the SS Chair! And yep they're shooting for the whole trail POD?

Slyboots, we know what you're up to.

Meow
 

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Temps don't go back below freezing until late Saturday night.
Earlier today it appeared that we might go into the 20s for a time tonight and tomorrow night but it looks like we won't quite get there now. Here's hoping some what we have stays and at the very least helps lets them hit the ground running when the temps do drop. Anything that stays white will allow new snow to accumulate straigh away without having to melt on the ground to cool it first.
 

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It is looking better and better they will make it. The nights are now dropping colder on average at night after Sunday and the days will be freezing longer into the mornings now. Even a few possible inches of real snow to add to the accumulations
 
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At elevation it goes below freezing early Sunday morning and doesn't go above for at least a week. They will have no problem getting ready for the world cup.
 

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At elevation it goes below freezing early Sunday morning and doesn't go above for at least a week. They will have no problem getting ready for the world cup.

I agree they should be able to make it, although NWS point forecast still shows even at 2700' by K it still goes ever so slightly above freezing during the day at least Tuesday, Wed, Thursday. So they can probably run 24/7 at the top of Superstar, but not so sure about the bottom of Superstar. It will depend a lot on what the actual temps end up being. A couple degrees either way can make a big difference.
 

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I agree they should be able to make it, although NWS point forecast still shows even at 2700' by K it still goes ever so slightly above freezing during the day at least Tuesday, Wed, Thursday. So they can probably run 24/7 at the top of Superstar, but not so sure about the bottom of Superstar. It will depend a lot on what the actual temps end up being. A couple degrees either way can make a big difference.

I use the 3500' nws forecast and it stays below freezing there.
 

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Bottom is already melting out, even before the r**n

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No real shocker there, as I think we all have seen instances where from a distance, even an inch or 2 of snow cover can give the visual impression of plentiful snow cover.

That run that they got shows that the system is working properly over a longer run, which to them may have been more of the goal than getting some product down ahead of the temps and liquid from the sky over the next 36-48 hrs or so.

The real effort starts later this weekend
 
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I use the 3500' nws forecast and it stays below freezing there.

I looked at that as well, but that basically give you the elevation of the headwall. There's a substantial portion of Superstar below that elevation. Even at 3500', it still could go up to ~29 during the day a couple days per the NWS point forecast. Not ideal, although hopefully cold enough to allow them to avoid wasting time shutting down and starting back up.

Edit - Just to clarify, I still firmly believe K can pull this off. I simply don't want to paint an overly rosy picture of the current temperature forecasts. To me focusing on the temps at the bottom of Superstar is more important than focusing on the top temps. If you have good enough temps to cover the bottom, then you're fine up top generally speaking.
 
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The bottom area was a couple fans running, the top actually got serious firepower.
 

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They will have plenty of time this week even at base, but not 24/7 because there is a system coming through on Wednesday that while mostly (maybe completely) frozen should raise temps and humidity enough to require shut down. Perhaps up high they can keep going.

But as Iโ€™ve posted for the past 2 weeks, the race will go on.
 
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