Mass market gas price hysteria- $12 a gallon gas

[Warp Daddy]

$92 sticker price to fill Both Saabs today --------------the Only good news was had a Price Chopper card that cut that price by $10 and the '07 Sport combi got 34.1 mpg for 450 miles

 

[drjeff]

$92 sticker price to fill Both Saabs today --------------the Only good news was had a Price Chopper card that cut that price by $10 and the '07 Sport combi got 34.1 mpg for 450 miles

That's about the only advantage to higher food prices, is that you rack up the $$'s quicker at Price Chopper to redeem at Sunocco for a cheaper price per gallon.

 

[Warp Daddy]

That's about the only advantage to higher food prices, is that you rack up the $$'s quicker at Price Chopper to redeem at Sunocco for a cheaper price per gallon.

Yep kinda feels like a Zero sum game

 

[drjeff]

My business partner just got this in an e-mail.

RFLMAO

 

[Warp Daddy]

LUV it When a Plan comes together

 

[Moe Ghoul]

The good news is all the political jawboning, Soros, regulators, etc is taking the fun outta oil temporarily, maybe we'll get some levelling off for the summer before it heads higher when the next derivatives tsunami hits, forcing the fed to fire it's last bullet with a few rate cuts and flooding more paper into the system, dragging the USD lower. Too funny how the clowns claim a weak dollar has little to do with oil price. Take the USD index, invert it, and superimpose it on the oil chart, and they're almost identical.

 

[wa-loaf]

We've got the gas company coming to check out our house for conversion to gas boilers. We need to upgrade anyway as we still have old "snowman" boilers in the basement. Gas isn't cheap, but it seems a lot more stable than the price of oil these days and is less of a hassle. We were talking to our plumbing/heating guy and he told us he likes Oil because it keeps him in business, but when he builds his own place he's going to put gas in because the boilers are cleaner and require a lot less maintenance.

 

[Moe Ghoul]

Nat gas has been on a tear lately, but is prolly the better alternative. I'm all nat gas in my house. Most of the utilities are announcing rate hikes as they get rate approvals. PSE&G, EXC, and a few others already announced them.

 

[wa-loaf]

Nat gas has been on a tear lately, but is prolly the better alternative. I'm all nat gas in my house. Most of the utilities are announcing rate hikes as they get rate approvals. PSE&G, EXC, and a few others already announced them.

We already have gas in the house for our stove and water heaters, which costs me about $100 bucks a month and it's considered residential non-heat so it's more expensive. I'll reduce my bills by one and save money be getting on the cheaper gas rate too.

 

[Moe Ghoul]

Let's hope for another mild hurricane season......

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm wondering when affordable solar technology will come online. It seems to me the answers for residential/commercial fuel needs lie in the solar, wind and nuclear arenas.

 

[ctenidae]

Interesting knock-on effect I hadn't considered until recently:

One byproduct of refinging gasoline is hydrogen, which is used to pull sulfur out of diesel to meet the low-sulfur diesel requirements.
With the increase in ethanol being added, refineries are making less gasoline (10% less, theoretically), which means less hydrogen, which means refineries have to buy hydrogen to make diesel.
Ergo, diesel costs more.

 

[ctenidae]

I'm wondering when affordable solar technology will come online. It seems to me the answers for residential/commercial fuel needs lie in the solar, wind and nuclear arenas.

3-5 years, which has been the expectation for the past 5-10.

 

[deadheadskier]

3-5 years, which has been the expectation for the past 5-10.

so 5 - 10 years then

 

[Warp Daddy]

By then given no change ----------we'll be The Third World

 

[Moe Ghoul]

For anyone that wants to hear an earful about the energy markets and who to point a finger at, CSPAN video of a recent hearing reveals what kinda bozos and crooks are running the show. Mike Greenberger, former head of the CFTC, is at 31:30, if you want to skip the intros, grandstanding politicos and Soros as the first speaker.

http://www.c-span.org/search/basic.asp?ResultStart=1&ResultCount=10&BasicQueryText=soros

 

[mondeo]

I'm wondering when affordable solar technology will come online. It seems to me the answers for residential/commercial fuel needs lie in the solar, wind and nuclear arenas.

Solar has some serious over most of the world. According to my interpretation of this picture:

When solar energy becomes commercially practical in Arizona, Southern California, etc., it will take maybe another 80% increase in the cost of other energy (holding solar costs constant) for it to become practical in the NE. In my estimation it is much more likely that the Atlantic seaboard will get its power from oceanographic sources, be it wave, tidal, or from the Gulf stream, though those have their own issues.

I'm predicting solar in the SW, wind in the midwest, ocean based in the east and NW, and a handful of other sources elsewhere.

 

[deadheadskier]

Solar has some serious over most of the world. According to my interpretation of this picture:

When solar energy becomes commercially practical in Arizona, Southern California, etc., it will take maybe another 80% increase in the cost of other energy (holding solar costs constant) for it to become practical in the NE. In my estimation it is much more likely that the Atlantic seaboard will get its power from oceanographic sources, be it wave, tidal, or from the Gulf stream, though those have their own issues.

I'm predicting solar in the SW, wind in the midwest, ocean based in the east and NW, and a handful of other sources elsewhere.

Makes sense, but I'd imagine despite the solar limitations of the northeast, i.e. lack of potent sunshine; you would think that the technology will eventually be there that makes it possible to create a solar panel that has maximum efficiency and storage capabilities to make it a viable and inexpensive energy source.

For crying out load, we've figured how to send a plumber into space to fix a toilet....if we can do that, I should be able to power my car with a solar panel on my ipod :lol:

of course I don't own an ipod, but I would if it powered my car :lol:

 

[ctenidae]

Solar and wind share two big problems- reliability. There are long periods when both are unavailable, solar at night (obviously) and wind in the middle of the day and the middle of the night. Unfortunately, electricity is a bit of a devil to store effectively. Tidal and wave energy don't have that problem, though the sea is a harsh mistress, so keeping equipment in good operating order is tough, but by no means insurmountable. Doesn't do much good for Kansas, though...

When considering alternatives to fossil fuels, resource availability is just as big a problem as with fossil fuels. Not everywhere has useable geothermal, or wind, or solar, or hydro, or tidal. Long and short of it is, there's no one big answer. It's going to take a variety of sources, which people have trouble understanding, and our electical grid isn't designed to handle intermittent generation from a range of sources. So, not only do the generating technologies have to be up to snuff, the infrastructure has to be rebuilt in a lot of ways, as well. Big problems, there, but again, by no means insurmountable with the proper political and economic conditions.

 

[from_the_NEK]

BINGO !! point is finally made

The ski industry already suffering from decline will face accellerated decline and most folks will FEEL REAL economic pain for FIRST time in their lives. Think Domino effect as far as ANY discretionery spending then think on industries thatDEPEND on discretionery spending -- it gets UGLY real quick

alternative -- get out your XC or Tele skis

Time to bring back/heavily promote the ski trains from the major East Coast cities to the mtns?