Mittersill Photos (September 2010)

[Puck it]

There are laps on Cannon that can take well over an hour to complete . So it's not like you have to jump in line 20 times a day.

Shhhhh!


Like Fischer Cat Glade!!!! Watch out for low hanging Fischer Cats though!!!

 

[Black Phantom]

1,500 posts over three Cannon Mtn threads! If it's true that "any press is good press" Cannon should have a great season this year.

The irony is that 2 of those threads were started by Threecy, and he added major momentum to all 3 of them. More Cannon talk = more Cannon recognition = higher skier visits = more success = less of a case for leasing.




I feel the same way. On the other hand, I'm sure that you (like me) know exactly how to move around Cannon even on a 'crowded' day to minimize lines and find the goods that the rest are passing by. There are laps on Cannon that can take well over an hour to complete . So it's not like you have to jump in line 20 times a day.

Were you driving the truck down Rt 3 Saturday morning?

 

[Cannonball]

Were you driving the truck down Rt 3 Saturday morning?

No, I don't drive the truck. Saturday morning I was setting up for day 2 of the fest. What a bash! 3,5000 people on the beach; 50,000 oysters; uncountable kegs of 'ganset.... Still in recovery mode.

 

[skiberg]

Just keep those 60 min laps to yourself. I always make sure to try and not let anyone see me when i duck in. Lets all promise to maintain confidentiality.

 

[Puck it]

Just keep those 60 min laps to yourself. I always make sure to try and not let anyone see me when i duck in. Lets all promise to maintain confidentiality.

Fischer Cat Glade will always be a stash.

 

[witch hobble]

This totally confused me for a good 3 minutes. The first post was made in this thread exactly a year ago. For some reason my tired brain forgot that we are now in the 9th month of 2011. I was thinking that there was yet another Cannon thread and that it was now 30 pages long after only a couple of hours. :beer:

 

[witch hobble]

I think that the general buzz is positive for Cannon right now, and it is the type of ski mountain that more and more people are searching out. That is the main reason for the bump. Combination of factors, not attributable to any one change.

It'll take another year or two of data to see if it is really statistically useful.

 

[bobbutts]

I think that the general buzz is positive for Cannon right now, and it is the type of ski mountain that more and more people are searching out. That is the main reason for the bump. Combination of factors, not attributable to any one change.

It'll take another year or two of data to see if it is really statistically useful.

Hmm, so do you think the pendulum is swinging back from resorts like Okemo and Loon to ones like Cannon?

I'm not saying it's wrong or right, but my impression was that it's either steady, or continuing to go the opposite direction.

 

[witch hobble]

Hmm, so do you think the pendulum is swinging back from resorts like Okemo and Loon to ones like Cannon?

I'm not saying it's wrong or right, but my impression was that it's either steady, or continuing to go the opposite direction.

I carry no statistical data. I think there is perhaps a polarization,similar to but on a smaller scale than national red/blue politics, where people are regrouping amongst others they believe to be like minded. So the resort crowd heads one way and the daytripping parking lot/base lodge few frills crowd goes another.

How about plane flights and tickets out west? Were they relatively expensive last year, or did western resorts report fewer NE vacationers? Whos got that data?

 

[BLESS]

I carry no statistical data. I think there is perhaps a polarization,similar to but on a smaller scale than national red/blue politics, where people are regrouping amongst others they believe to be like minded. So the resort crowd heads one way and the daytripping parking lot/base lodge few frills crowd goes another.

How about plane flights and tickets out west? Were they relatively expensive last year, or did western resorts report fewer NE vacationers? Whos got that data?

agreed. there is a polarization. Where I live, Cannon is CERTAINLY viewed as blue collar, cheap and more hardcore......whereas places like loon are viewed as white collar, yuppieish, and $$$. Right or wrong that is the perception. This is why I usually stay at my friends condo @Loon, yet drive to cannon to ski

 

[billski]

agreed. there is a polarization. Where I live, Cannon is CERTAINLY viewed as blue collar, cheap and more hardcore......whereas places like loon are viewed as white collar, yuppieish, and $$$. Right or wrong that is the perception. This is why I usually stay at my friends condo @Loon, yet drive to cannon to ski

This hits a nerve. I have friends in a number of camps, not blue vs. white. For many, it's the only vacation they get all winter. So many of them gravitate towards the "all inclusive vacation". Skiing is stressful enough for a family. Now worry about breakfast, dinner and lodging - searching, going unseen. They would rather have a sure bet. Cannon is a no-op in this case.

All-inclusive that come to mind are Stratton and Stowe and Smugglers. Maybe Mt. Snow, Killington. JP is getting there but not yet. Places with limited lodging and food options are often not for the 1-timers, regardless of their economic strata, with exceptions of course. For many, conditions are secondary "you take what you can get" thinking.
In my business there are three variables - money, schedule and people/skill/interest (in terms of this discussion). When one of these is variables fixed, the other two have to adjust.

Yeah, I've diverged from the Cannon discussion.

 

[bobbutts]

I rather watch paint dry than ski at the Okemo of NH, lol.

I have a great time at all the resorts people bash (Sunapee, Okemo, Loon) as well as Cannon

feel sorry for you if you can't or if you just said that to look cool

 

[deadheadskier]

I have a great time at all the resorts people bash (Sunapee, Okemo, Loon) as well as Cannon

feel sorry for you if you can't or if you just said that to look cool

I definitely do as well.

Though I wouldn't want Cannon to change to be like the others you listed.

 

[thetrailboss]

I have a great time at all the resorts people bash (Sunapee, Okemo, Loon) as well as Cannon

feel sorry for you if you can't or if you just said that to look cool

I go to places to ski. I focus on that. A bad day on the slopes is better than a good day at work, as they say I've skied at Loon, Sunapee, and Stratton. The skiing was good. Do I care for the commercialism, rat race, "my car is bigger than yours" stuff that sometimes happens off the ski trails at some of these areas? No. But I try not to dwell on it.

 

[BLESS]

I have a great time at all the resorts people bash (Sunapee, Okemo, Loon) as well as Cannon

feel sorry for you if you can't or if you just said that to look cool

As do I....some of my best days skiing have been at Okemo and Loon. Im not Bode Miller....if Im on snow, Im having fun.

 

[bobbutts]

there's just so much attitude out there and people smugly laughing at others in forums

I lived in Tahoe for 5 years, been to Whistler, Chaminoix, Snowbird, all over CO etc so by some logic everything in NE should seem terrible to me. I love the fact that I can show up at a much lesser hill and still feel like a kid in the candy store.

 

[Smellytele]

I have had fun at those places but if I had other choices I would go else where. It comes down to where are the people I want to ski with going, how much does it cost and what is the terrain like. Variety is the spice of life and would not want to ski one place every time I went skiing either.

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Like most hobbies, pursuits and activities, skiing is largely about self-selection. For those who don't have the time/inclination to go more than once/yr, it's not surprising they would gravitate towards more all-inclusive offerings who market their reliable snow conditions. They self-select into those resorts, such as Stratton, K-Mart, Loon, Sunapee, Okemo, etc...

Then there are those who are inclined to go skiing more often and who can consequently develop theirs skills and associated knowledge/familiarity of same to a greater degree. They are likely going to self-select themselves into more advanced/natural snow sorts of hills.

To be clear, nothing is black and white. There are great skiers at Deer Valley and lousy skiers at Jackson Hole. But in the means, I find this to be largely accurate, and I'd imagine most of you experience this phenomenon not only in skiing, but also your other pursuits.

As is often said on AZ, we are not the typical audience to which ski resorts market themselves. We are much more passionate and informed, as evidenced by our self-selecting into the dedication of material amounts of work and personal time to reading, digesting, arguing and pontificating about the sport of skiing.

 

[billski]

+12. I am pretty passionate about the only sport that I enjoy and have an OK job doing. Agree about the disparaging remarks, of which I admit guilt about, though it is usually done in good humor but never taken that way(ah the world of bits and bites). Regardless, I bear the responsibility, I do try to temper the tone with a generous amount of disparaging remarks regarding my poor skiing ability.

I greatly enjoy exploring areas from the teeny tiny (Cochran's), through the "megaliths." To me, the continuum is what I call the "fabric of skiing". Experiencing all of it, not just a subset. In all of it, people are enjoying themselves everywhere. Look at the NELSAP collection. By far most are small mom and pop operations with small vertical and trail count, with a lot of people having a blast. I ski with a wide range of skill levels and have fun with all of them - being out of doors in the winter, sharing the fun others have on the hill is priceless.

For every blabbermouth on this forum, I would offer there are hundreds of "lurkers" absorbing some of what is said and ignoring the rest. From my read, this group has a far wider reach than the hundred or so AZ "regulars. After all, who else would talk about snow in July on a beach? As Tin Man said, this is a consolidator of info. I am much more metered in my responses here although it may seem otherwise. I know for every person I am talking to here, there are several hundred reading it.


The essential metrics to me are - Are you comfortable? More importantly, at the end of a run, do you have a smile on your face?

Enjoy an pray for snow.

 

[Black Phantom]

+12. I am pretty passionate about the only sport that I enjoy and have an OK job doing. Agree about the disparaging remarks, of which I admit guilt about, though it is usually done in good humor but never taken that way(ah the world of bits and bites). Regardless, I bear the responsibility, I do try to temper the tone with a generous amount of disparaging remarks regarding my poor skiing ability.

I greatly enjoy exploring areas from the teeny tiny (Cochran's), through the "megaliths." To me, the continuum is what I call the "fabric of skiing". Experiencing all of it, not just a subset. In all of it, people are enjoying themselves everywhere. Look at the NELSAP collection. By far most are small mom and pop operations with small vertical and trail count, with a lot of people having a blast. I ski with a wide range of skill levels and have fun with all of them - being out of doors in the winter, sharing the fun others have on the hill is priceless.

For every blabbermouth on this forum, I would offer there are hundreds of "lurkers" absorbing some of what is said and ignoring the rest. From my read, this group has a far wider reach than the hundred or so AZ "regulars. After all, who else would talk about snow in July on a beach? As Tin Man said, this is a consolidator of info. I am much more metered in my responses here although it may seem otherwise. I know for every person I am talking to here, there are several hundred reading it.


The essential metrics to me are - Are you comfortable? More importantly, at the end of a run, do you have a smile on your face?

Enjoy an pray for snow.

Aw shucks billski, that has warmed me up on this chilly summer morning.

When are we hitting Quechee?