MRG - What about snowboarders?

[bvibert]

Maybe you don't have anymore to say about it...
But maybe - just maybe - some of us do...

I've been involved in this discussion on the internet(usenet) since the early 90's..
And it's still relevant to some of us...

I do not understand why you guys get so worked up about snowboarders offering opinions and debating this... What's the friggin difference???

if you don't like us starting a new thread... just delete it... Your a moderator....
Show your power....

The only reason I don't this topic is that it ALWAYS turns ugly. It's all been beat to death a million times already on this board alone. Nothing new ever comes out of it and boarders just get pissed at skiers and vise versa. If anything the discussion just drives a wedge between skiers and boarders.

I had the option to lock this thread right after it started, but opted not to in the hopes that it could at least be kept civil. I don't see any reason for folks to start bashing each other and /or generalizing groups. If you (the AZ public) want to discuss the issue without resorting to such tactics then I see no reason to leave it up for now...

 

[dmc]

I think TTB's point was that just about everything that could be said about this debate has already been said. It's now just getting redundant, but if you guys want to spin your wheels again, knock yourselves out...:lol:

to you maybe it's spinning wheels...

To me it's an oppurtunity to advance the debate with a new rider - and to show them that the debate is active and a hot topic.....

And the more the debate gets advanced the closer I get to snowboarding legally down Paradise... if that makes some people upset... sorry... it's our battle(boarders)... And we will continue to persue it...

 

[JimG.]

Gentlemen,

I'm going to try to do my job as a moderator here, and I'll probably get killed for it:

It is unfair and irrational to say that snowboarders are the sole cause for all of the ills at any ski area. I've seen more skiers than snowboarders scrape snow off trails, hit other sliders, insult and curse other sliders, or act rude and unapologetic. There is an equal percentage of good snowboarders as opposed to good skiers, and an equal percentage of poor snowboarders as compared to poor skiers when you look at the overall populations.

On the counterpoint, I don't care for exclusion either, but Mad River is privately owned as a coop and as such they can vote to exclude snowboards. That is their right. In a more traditional case, market forces might persuade them to allow snowboards or go out of business, but in the case of the coop they are less dependent on those business forces and as such can afford to ignore them. And there is little anyone can do to change that.

I love MRG, but I'll admit I'd enjoy it more if my snowboarding buddies could ride freely as well. But I'm not part of the coop, so my opinion means little.

 

[AdironRider]

First off I am making a statement not an argument, second I have seen snowboarders destroy some of the narrow trails at Sugarloaf by side slipping down them. Third I do NOT hate snowboarders.

First, an argument is composed of statements, so whats your point.

Second, Ive seen gapers on skis pizza sliding all the snow off trails as well. Maybe one day theyll get the hang of french fries but until then they do just as much damage to trails as boarders do.

Third, you just put your foot in your mouth. Hows it taste?

 

[dmc]

The only reason I don't this topic is that it ALWAYS turns ugly. It's all been beat to death a million times already on this board alone. Nothing new ever comes out of it and boarders just get pissed at skiers and vise versa. If anything the discussion just drives a wedge between skiers and boarders.

I had the option to lock this thread right after it started, but opted not to in the hopes that it could at least be kept civil. I don't see any reason for folks to start bashing each other and /or generalizing groups. If you (the AZ public) want to discuss the issue without resorting to such tactics then I see no reason to leave it up for now...

Bashing comes in many forms my friend... Many forms... some less evident some in your face... i just happen to be the later...

Any time someone new comes to the debate - i jump right in... Because it's one more person to add and one more person closer to riders enjoying MRG....

 

[loafer89]

All I'm asking for you is to be fair...

If you want me to be fair then do not viciously attack my remarks and start making judgements on what kind of person that I am.

 

[dmc]

On the counterpoint, I don't care for exclusion either, but Mad River is privately owned as a coop and as such they can vote to exclude snowboards.

I understand where your coming from
BUT
As I posted before - any time someone comes into the debate I try and keep it going...
It's important to me...

 

[loafer89]

First, an argument is composed of statements, so whats your point.

Second, Ive seen gapers on skis pizza sliding all the snow off trails as well. Maybe one day theyll get the hang of french fries but until then they do just as much damage to trails as boarders do.

Third, you just put your foot in your mouth. Hows it taste?

My foot tastes good, I just took a shower not to long ago.

 

[dmc]

If you want me to be fair then do not viciously attack my remarks and start making judgements on what kind of person that I am.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

I'm soooooo viscious...

I consider your remarks to be vicious too!!!


So how about that!!?!?!?!

 

[bvibert]

Bashing comes in many forms my friend... Many forms... some less evident some in your face... i just happen to be the later...

Any time someone new comes to the debate - i jump right in... Because it's one more person to add and one more person closer to riders enjoying MRG....

I have nothing against you D, and although my post quoted yours it wasn't necessarily directed at you. I understand that the issue is important to you and many many others. That's why I decided to let the thread go, even though it's all been discussed in past threads.

I'm just trying to do my job as a mod and keep the peace.

 

[dmc]

Being a snowboarder I think it is completly wrong to discriminate and not let riders in. I know there trying to keep the atmosphere bright and I respect that. They may be worried about getting all these bad snowboarders at there mountain but with no park there only going to get powder dwellers and freestyle riders. Not to mention there are a fair amount of "Trouble" skiier's. What do you think?

Dude - welcome to the battle...

Tell your friends to join! Someday we will ride Paradise!!

 

[dmc]

I have nothing against you D, and although my post quoted yours it wasn't necessarily directed at you. I understand that the issue is important to you and many many others. That's why I decided to let the thread go, even though it's all been discussed in past threads.

I'm just trying to do my job as a mod and keep the peace.

There is a AWD vs FWD thread going on now too... And I know we've talked about this..

But I'm sure you added your thoughts about thread reuse there too...

oh wait... you didn't.... wonder why?

 

[thetrailboss]

I think TTB's point was that just about everything that could be said about this debate has already been said. It's now just getting redundant, but if you guys want to spin your wheels again, knock yourselves out...:lol:

That was my point.

As for dmc's remarks, I look at this from a practical standpoint. These are the threads that have been previously mentioned on this same topic:

http://forums.alpinezone.com/9052-burton-purchase-mad-river.html
http://forums.alpinezone.com/4605-aint-right-i-tell-ya.html
http://forums.alpinezone.com/573-mad-river-needs-hsq-snowboarding.html
http://forums.alpinezone.com/3486-mrgs-single-chair-set-renovations.html

I credit bvibert for finding them.

Now there is an old saying....that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I understand the issue of snowboarders vs. skiers at MRG. I understand all of the arguments because I've heard them ad nauseum. My point is partially that another thread on it is not going to get what you want. You can certainly continue talking about it here.....but maybe it is time to choose a different strategy.

I really don't care if you continue to talk about this in many threads. If anything, it brings more traffic to the site and more interest. But I think that the energy you are spending here could be used to do things like write editorials to magazines (SKI or SKIING) who have had recent articles on MRG...or to the local papers....or by purchasing a share and getting involved.

 

[ALLSKIING]

Lets not make this a mod vs members thing...The thread is open have at it.

 

[loafer89]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

I'm soooooo viscious...

I consider your remarks to be vicious too!!!


So how about that!!?!?!?!

I think the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

thing is getting stale.

 

[JimG.]

I understand where your coming from
BUT
As I posted before - any time someone comes into the debate I try and keep it going...
It's important to me...

You have no argument here and I trust you understand that. No need for any "BUT's".

 

[dmc]

Now there is an old saying....that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I understand the issue of snowboarders vs. skiers at MRG. I understand all of the arguments because I've heard them ad nauseum. My point is partially that another thread on it is not going to get what you want. You can certainly continue talking about it here.....but maybe it is time to choose a different strategy.

LOOK... Anytime someone new comes to the debate - I see it as another person to help advance the cause... And I will challenge the status quo(Apline Zone) to show them that you can debate and you can challenge the usual passive agressive BS that skier spew...

there ARE currnet threads that are new where the issue has been discussed in previous threads... But NOBODY challenges them...!?!??!?!

WHY?!?!?! Because I think people are afraid to add more snowboarders to the debate... Because the more people join the debate the more likely it is that MRG will become a place we can all enjoy..

 

[nhski]

There is an equal percentage of good snowboarders as opposed to good skiers, and an equal percentage of poor snowboarders as compared to poor skiers when you look at the overall populations.

I have no statistics to back up what i am going to say, but i'll say it anyways. I think this is incorrect. It takes a lot longer for a skier to became adequate then it does a snowboarder. I don't see too many horrible snowboarders b/c they can pick up the basics alot quicker. From my experiences, a few days on the hill and snowboaders can get down much more difficult trails then skiers. Just my .02 cents.

 

[dmc]

I think the WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

thing is getting stale.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! Jeeze..... :roll:

 

[JimG.]

Lets not make this a mod vs members thing...The thread is open have at it.

Yes! The issue is obviously still very hot, evidenced by another thread about it.

Enjoy!