MRG - What about snowboarders?

[dmc]

You have no argument here and I trust you understand that. No need for any "BUT's".

Not directed at you bud...

 

[dmc]

Lets not make this a mod vs members thing...The thread is open have at it.

Cool... But - I don't need moderators telling me not to do something when the same something is going on in other threads....

So in that sense - it is a moderator thing...

 

[JimG.]

I have no statistics to back up what i am going to say, but i'll say it anyways. I think this is incorrect. It takes a lot longer for a skier to became adequate then it does a snowboarder. I don't see too many horrible snowboarders b/c they can pick up the basics alot quicker. From my experiences, a few days on the hill and snowboaders can get down much more difficult trails then skiers. Just my .02 cents.

Fair...I agree the learning curve for skiing is much tougher than snowboarding, at least that's what I understand. You're really just agreeing with me anyway because I don't agree that snowboarders cause all of the problems at ski areas people like to think they do.

 

[bvibert]

There is a AWD vs FWD thread going on now too... And I know we've talked about this..

But I'm sure you added your thoughts about thread reuse there too...

oh wait... you didn't.... wonder why?

Please see the thread in question.

 

[Greg]

to you maybe it's spinning wheels...

To me it's an oppurtunity to advance the debate with a new rider - and to show them that the debate is active and a hot topic.....

And the more the debate gets advanced the closer I get to snowboarding legally down Paradise... if that makes some people upset... sorry... it's our battle(boarders)... And we will continue to persue it...

Any time someone new comes to the debate - i jump right in... Because it's one more person to add and one more person closer to riders enjoying MRG....

I understand where your coming from
BUT
As I posted before - any time someone comes into the debate I try and keep it going...
It's important to me...

Dude - welcome to the battle...

Tell your friends to join! Someday we will ride Paradise!!

Your crusade is noble, Doug. Really, it is. And I can certainly appreciate that you want to share your views with other riders. However, there's a point that is made in virtually every other thread on this subject and that is that this is the decision of the co-op, bottom-line. There could be a million riders posting on this forum about the need to allow snowboarding at MRG, but if the co-op doesn't bring it to a vote, it's all wasted breath. Unfortunately for snowboarders, that's the reality of it.

Now there is an old saying....that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I understand the issue of snowboarders vs. skiers at MRG. I understand all of the arguments because I've heard them ad nauseum. My point is partially that another thread on it is not going to get what you want. You can certainly continue talking about it here.....but maybe it is time to choose a different strategy.

What he said.

In closing, because I have really nothing else to add to this discussion, you guys can debate this until the lifts start turning or beyond, if you wish. However if this thread degenerates to personal attacks, we take the "lock this thing tighter than a nun's legs" approach.

 

[dmc]

All I'm saying is...

If someone new joins the debate - then I will persue the debate...
One more person engaging this issue takes me one step closer to riding Paradise...

And who knows... maybe these new guys CAN add something to the discussion? I'm not the kind of person that thinks just because something has been discussed over and over again that there still isn't something new to add...

 

[Big Game]

The mountain is privately owned(by the shareholders) and they voted overwhelmingly not to allow snowboarders..

The mountain is owned by private individuals (as opposed to any public or quasi-public agency), but from my understanding it is a publicly held company. Confused? A publicly held company can be held by any member of the public willing to pony up the dough. But a privately held company means that the shares can not be publicly traded.

A publicly held company should be able to do what they want, provided it:

(1) doesn't break the law
(2) has the shareholders' best interest and doesn't make arbitrary business decisions.

Now is MRG breaking the law? I don't think so.
So does MRG have the shareholder's best interest? Depends. Is profitability the main goal? OR is it something else? (If it is something else what is it? How do you quantify/qualify it?) Or does decreasing profitability increase the odds that MRG will eventually fold or is at least more at risk for it?

The point being that if one shareholder does not believe the board (or whoever the controlling body is) is acting in the best interests of the shareholders, that shareholder could bring a derivitive action against MRG. Such a suit would likley be crippling to MRG and liklely, force them to change thier ways. But then, for a shareholder to find a firm willing to bring a SD action against MRG is unlikely --- securities law firms get paid for their work not as a percentage of the award, but rather a straight hourly rate ultimately paid by the company. And because MRG doesn't have the deepest pockets in the world, there is not too much certainly that the securities litigation firm would get paid, thus the case would not be terribly attractive to them.

In conclusion, unless a shareholder of MRG has deep pockets and is willing to pony up the dough to bring such a suit (and deal with subsequent unpopularity), the status quo will remain. Skiers at MRG will remain as righteous and lily white as the Lord Almighty has made them. Snowboarders will fume impotently.

Of course, what I don't know can fill books and I got a huge library. Anyone with more knowledge, lay it on me.

 

[Greg]

All I'm saying is...

If someone new joins the debate - then I will persue the debate...
One more person engaging this issue takes me one step closer to riding Paradise...

And who knows... maybe these new guys CAN add something to the discussion? I'm not the kind of person that thinks just because something has been discussed over and over again that there still isn't something new to add...

Good points. :beer:

Carry on.

 

[nhski]

Fair...I agree the learning curve for skiing is much tougher than snowboarding, at least that's what I understand. You're really just agreeing with me anyway because I don't agree that snowboarders cause all of the problems at ski areas people like to think they do.

No, i am really just throwing a jab at snowboarding, insinuating that any old schmuck can ride a snowboard. Real men ski.

WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! I'm just kidding. It's all good any which way you want to get down the mountain.

I've never been to MRG, so i don't think its appropriate for me to comment on whether snowboading should be allowed there or not. I will say this though, that the other place that i know of that doesn't allow riders is Alta (i hold that place very dear to my heart). IMO, its logical not to allow snowboarders there for this reason; there are a ton a traverses to get to all the goods they have to offer and snowboarders would have a hell of a time getting across those traverses and would most likely cause major backlogs.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Uggg rules are rules, they are not saying you cant ride the mountain, just not with certain equipment, there are rules like this in everyday life that you deal with im sure.. You cant take your Rig on a Parkway, but you can take a car "a different piece of equipment" on it if you really wanna drive on it right? Same thing, stop trying to beat the system.

 

[loafer89]

No, i am really just throwing a jab at snowboarding, insinuating that any old schmuck can ride a snowboard. Real men ski.

WAAAAAAAAAAH!!!! I'm just kidding. It's all good any which way you want to get down the mountain.

I've never been to MRG, so i don't think its appropriate for me to comment on whether snowboading should be allowed there or not. I will say this though, that the other place that i know of that doesn't allow riders is Alta (i hold that place very dear to my heart). IMO, its logical not to allow snowboarders there for this reason; there are a ton a traverses to get to all the goods they have to offer and snowboarders would have a hell of a time getting across those traverses and would most likely cause major backlogs.

Taos does not allow snowboarding as well, and to be fair to DMC and other riders I would like to experience any difference that such a ban would have on my resort experience.

 

[JimG.]

I've never been to MRG, so i don't think its appropriate for me to comment on whether snowboading should be allowed there or not. I will say this though, that the other place that i know of that doesn't allow riders is Alta (i hold that place very dear to my heart). IMO, its logical not to allow snowboarders there for this reason; there are a ton a traverses to get to all the goods they have to offer and snowboarders would have a hell of a time getting across those traverses and would most likely cause major backlogs.

The traverse issue isn't a big one at MRG, certainly not like it is at Alta.

Besides, that's what splitboards are for.

 

[loafer89]

OK Guys get over it you can't board at MRG its life it seems you have one choice buy it.
As long as the owners are happy with the way its running they won't change it. So either buy it or get over it THE END

MRS LOAFER

 

[WWF-VT]

See the Sep 15, 2006 Press Release from Mad River Glen here:

http://www.madriverglen.com/press/Media_Kit/?Page=snowboard.html



....."Whatever the reason, it is unlikely that there will be snowboarding at Mad River Glen any time soon. The only way the policy can change is if a two-thirds majority of the shareholders vote to change it. Don’t hold your breath!..."

 

[wintersyndrome]

my thoughts

See also Dr. Suess "Star Belly Sneetches"

In the end we're all trying to do the same thing down the same mountain..thats it

imagine if steel edges received as much flack from the industry "purists" when they were introduced

or if it was like Dana Carvey's Grumpy old man Segment
"In my day we didnt use fancy skiing devices...
We Strapped dead people to our feet cause they were the stiffest and fly down the moutains sayin 'look at me Im skiing on dead people!!' "

 

[dmc]

OK Guys get over it you can't board at MRG its life it seems you have one choice buy it.
As long as the owners are happy with the way its running they won't change it. So either buy it or get over it THE END

MRS LOAFER

No... i won't get over it...
THE END!!!!

 

[dmc]

See the Sep 16, 2006 Press Relase from MRG here:

http://www.madriverglen.com/press/Media_Kit/?Page=snowboard.html

.....Whatever the reason, it is unlikely that there will be snowboarding at Mad River Glen any time soon. The only way the policy can change is if a two-thirds majority of the shareholders vote to change it. Don’t hold your breath!

That is why when i have an oppurtunity to bring someone into the debate...
I do it...

Baby steps to Paradise!!!!!!

 

[dmc]

Taos does not allow snowboarding as well, and to be fair to DMC and other riders I would like to experience any difference that such a ban would have on my resort experience.

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[andyzee]

I would like to join this discussion by saying that I have no opinion on the subject. I can however understand where others may have a very strong opinion. Now that I have gotten that off my chest I feel much better, carry on.

 

[loafer89]

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Why do Alta, Taos and Deer Valley ban snowboarding. Is it a snow surface concern, lift issue, etc. This is what I mean, what would be the difference. I wanted to go to Taos this winter, but it looked hard to get to, $$$$$, and snowfall is scetchy and not the ideal place to ski with a 7 year old.

I have been reading through alot of website content about why snowboarding was banned in alot of places early on. Alot of it was due to an improper misconception of snowboarding and its effect on the skier/snow surface interaction.

Alot of my bias torwards snowboarding comes from other fellow skiers, alot of them old school, perhaps we are wrong?