New York Yankees

[JimG.]

Of course if you want to play what if Beckett would not only be leading the league in wins but have 20+ as he has at least 6 games with a no decision or loss where he gave up 2 runs or less including a 1-0 complete game loss.

just remember Petite is 11-7 with a 3.69 era

Beckett 15-5 with a 3.15 era

But weren't you guys killing Beckett and the Sox for trading for him last season?

Andy is steady and sure...not a one or two season wonder.

This is what I meant about no respect...there's always someone else people want to throw at you when you talk about Pettitte.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

But weren't you guys killing Beckett and the Sox for trading for him last season?

Andy is steady and sure...not a one or two season wonder.

This is what I meant about no respect...there's always someone else people want to throw at you when you talk about Pettitte.

Well heres some respect Jim, No i didnt wanna throw Beckett under the bus after last year, i have a 2yr grace period for playing in Boston or Ny. If i had a big game to win, a big game the guys who come to my mind are Andy and Schilling, ya i know schilling is just about done this year but those are the guys i want pitching a game i have to win in a big spot, not Beckett or Wang.. And when he was a Yankee i would throw David Wells right in there if i needed a win in a big spot.. And if i had to get a save in October i want MO on the mound over Papelbon, and all this is coming from a redsox fan so theres your respect!

 

[JimG.]

Well heres some respect Jim, No i didnt wanna throw Beckett under the bus after last year, i have a 2yr grace period for playing in Boston or Ny. If i had a big game to win, a big game the guys who come to my mind are Andy and Schilling, ya i know schilling is just about done this year but those are the guys i want pitching a game i have to win in a big spot, not Beckett or Wang.. And when he was a Yankee i would throw David Wells right in there if i needed a win in a big spot.. And if i had to get a save in October i want MO on the mound over Papelbon, and all this is coming from a redsox fan so theres your respect!

Wow...I'm speechless.

I hated the Yankees for letting Pettitte go to Houston. I wouldn't watch games the year after he left.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Sox take a doubleheader and i walk in my door at 3am stay up til 332am and watch the yanks serve up the game winning homer, it was a nice night even with the bad hangover today.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Well all i can say is, that was the best 4game series ive seen the redsox play in a long long time, ya it was the White sox but they did have 2 tough pitchers going and the redsox just destroyed them like a good team should.. As i thought the redsox would be at least 6games up going into the Yankees series, which now well is almost meaningless from my viewpoint, and im happy to say it.. The yanks will probably lose to Verlander and be 8 games back.. This division is OVER! And go ahead and quote me Jim G but u know it is. No pressure on the Sox and all on the Yankees. This is about the yankees now and trying to get a wildcard birth, Seattle wont be there in the end they have a very tough schedule, the redsox might just ruin your playoff hopes all together if they take say 4/6 from ya. Even if the yankees make the playoffs, guess who they play because they wont win the division? Ya the Angels, Either way the yankee starters will be playing golf by mid october, your thoughts??????

 

[2knees]

But weren't you guys killing Beckett and the Sox for trading for him last season?

Andy is steady and sure...not a one or two season wonder.

This is what I meant about no respect...there's always someone else people want to throw at you when you talk about Pettitte.

Come on Jim. Pettitte is a very good pitcher who gets more then his fair share of respect. He just isnt as good as some yankee fans see him through their pinstripped glasses. 12 years in the bigs with 7 of them having era's over 4. Not exactly hall of fame material. Good pitcher? Yes. Big game pitcher? I'd give you that, but completely consistent? nope. he won alot of games for superior yankee teams. And he doesnt even warrant consideration for the cy young. Not with Beckett, Verlander, Bedard, Santana and Haren WAYYYYY better then himself this year.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Come on Jim. Pettitte is a very good pitcher who gets more then his fair share of respect. He just isnt as good as some yankee fans see him through their pinstripped glasses. 12 years in the bigs with 7 of them having era's over 4. Not exactly hall of fame material. Good pitcher? Yes. Big game pitcher? I'd give you that, but completely consistent? nope. he won alot of games for superior yankee teams. And he doesnt even warrant consideration for the cy young. Not with Beckett, Verlander, Bedard, Santana and Haren WAYYYYY better then himself this year.

I sorta have to disagree with you a bit, yes he was on superior teams, but he always came up big in big games and this year he has come up huge, hes had about what 3 starts now with the Yanks on losing streaks of 3 and has stopped them, the guy gets it done no matter if his team wins 100 games or 80, id take him in a minute over all of those guys except Santana.. Beckett won a big game once in the world series the rest are unproven in big spots as far as im concerned..

 

[2knees]

I sorta have to disagree with you a bit, yes he was on superior teams, but he always came up big in big games and this year he has come up huge, hes had about what 3 starts now with the Yanks on losing streaks of 3 and has stopped them, the guy gets it done no matter if his team wins 100 games or 80, id take him in a minute over all of those guys except Santana.. Beckett won a big game once in the world series the rest are unproven in big spots as far as im concerned..

Never said he doesnt win alot of big games. Just saying he gets alot of respect. He also shouldnt be mentioned in the same catergory of my above mentioned pitchers for this years cy young. Not a discussion of who i would take, right now, in a big game.

But to answer, i would take Santana, Beckett and even Lackey and maybe Halladay before Pettitte.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Never said he doesnt win alot of big games. Just saying he gets alot of respect. He also shouldnt be mentioned in the same catergory of my above mentioned pitchers for this years cy young. Not a discussion of who i would take, right now, in a big game.

But to answer, i would take Santana, Beckett and even Lackey and maybe Halladay before Pettitte.

I understand where your coming from and regular season id probably agree with you, i just havent seen all those guys you mentioned in a tough spot in the playoffs enough to say that, Andy i have seen do it time and time again and consistently get the job done.

 

[JimG.]

Sean Henn.

They won't win the division, and if they lose the wildcard I know who my new whipping boy is going to be.

Sean Henn, as soon as I saw his sorry ass I knew it was over.

I mean, Guillen wouldn't swing at anything unless it was down and in...the 2 pitches he swung at during the at bat were down and in. Where does Henny boy serve it up? Down and in and the guy golfs it over the wall. Anyone paying attention? BAD LOSS.

Where did this blight of a relief pitcher come from?

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Sean Henn.

They won't win the division, and if they lose the wildcard I know who my new whipping boy is going to be.

Sean Henn, as soon as I saw his sorry ass I knew it was over.

I mean, Guillen wouldn't swing at anything unless it was down and in...the 2 pitches he swung at during the at bat were down and in. Where does Henny boy serve it up? Down and in and the guy golfs it over the wall. Anyone paying attention? BAD LOSS.

Where did this blight of a relief pitcher come from?

Alright Jim, hey the wildcard chase is alot more exciting anyways, trust me its all ive looked forward to for 11yrs.

 

[Sky]

E Frickin Gad!

16 to zip

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Wow is this really the NY yankees talk about looking towards the next series, they didnt even show up tonite, sorry Jim but like i said the numbers catch up with you eventually even though you dont believe in it.

 

[Rushski]

Eight games back from the Sox - Bye Bye Yanks...

 

[MarkC]

Moose needs to be taken out back and shot. He has nothing left.

 

[JimG.]

Mussina...0-7 this season in starts after losses.

NOT Andy Pettitte.

Someone please shoot Mussina and put him out of our misery.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Moose
Igawa
Pavano
Karstens (becoming a starter and promptly falling apart)
Hughes (injury, not performance)

And still in the thick of the WC hunt....

A-Rod for MVP!!!!

The Yanks just keep overcoming adversity. As such, the team reflects all that is good and right about the United States of America. If the Sox had suffered the same difficulties this year, the team surely would have IMPLODED by July 4 (see last year's five-game sweep for the latest example).

Yes, I'm deliberately being annoying (well, more annoying than usual).

 

[tree_skier]

Back to the what if's I see.

I was kind of shocked to see a 16-0 pasting this morning. You don't win many games scoring ZERO runs. Complain about a weak/hurt/ just plain iffy pitching staff all you want but but 0 runs equals a loss in any baseball game I've ever seen.

 

[JimG.]

Back to the what if's I see.

I was kind of shocked to see a 16-0 pasting this morning. You don't win many games scoring ZERO runs. Complain about a weak/hurt/ just plain iffy pitching staff all you want but but 0 runs equals a loss in any baseball game I've ever seen.

Yeah, but you don't win many games where your pitchers give up 16 runs; at that point you may as well save the runs for another game.

I didn't watch after the 3rd...did Sean Henn get to give up some runs too?

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Yeah, but you don't win many games where your pitchers give up 16 runs; at that point you may as well save the runs for another game.

I didn't watch after the 3rd...did Sean Henn get to give up some runs too?

But of course Jim, here are the Yankee pitcher lines from last night.

Pitchers IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA
M Mussina (L, 8-10) 3.0 9 6 6 1 0 0 72-49 5.53
E Ramirez 1.0 1 1 1 1 1 1 23-11 5.91
S Henn 2.2 8 9 7 5 4 0 79-42 7.49
B Bruney 1.1 2 0 0 0 0 0 28-20 3.22

He only gave up 7 earned runs last night not bad lol.. This is kinda weird im not even excited about tonites sox/yanks game, its just kinda ho hum, my team is already in the playoffs, very strange to be on this side of it for once..