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No-snow 'disaster' sought in N. Country

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http://www.unionleader.com/article....rticleId=790eb621-75df-4862-a26b-3ceb0b210b57

No-snow 'disaster' sought in N. Country
By PAULA TRACY
Union Leader Staff
Saturday, Jan. 13, 2007


CONCORD – With a dearth of snow and cold days hurting North Country tourism, recreation and logging businesses, the governor has been asked to declare an emergency and request federal disaster aid for those five northern counties.

Yesterday, Gov. John Lynch met at the State House with more than 40 North Country business leaders. He was told:


Hotels and motels in the North Country saw business down 40 percent to 60 percent during the holidays and have on average an 80 percent vacancy rate.
Ski areas are down 40 percent to 60 percent in the year-to-date visitor numbers, with 30 percent of the season over.
Snowmobile dealers are not able to sell last year's stock, let alone this year's. They are laying off workers and, in some cases, closing. A lack of snow to groom has forced the layoff of trail groomers. The lack of sled registrations will hurt next year's trail-maintenance budgets.
Loggers are not able to get timber out of the woods because the ground is not yet frozen. This will affect supply at mills, particularly in spring, when the traditional mud season hits.
Retailers are reporting business down 25 percent to 30 percent in the North Country.
There is no ice fishing because the lakes are not frozen, and that is affecting retailers who rely on selling bait and supplies.

"I wish we could have 10 feet of snow on the ground, but we don't," Lynch said.

George Bald, commissioner of the state Department of Resources and Economic Development, who directed the meeting, began it by introducing Bill Phillips of the U.S. Small Business Association. He outlined what would be needed to get a declaration of a disaster so that low-cost, long-term loans could be released to help businesses survive.

He noted that Vermont, facing a similar scenario, is also looking to a possible disaster declaration.

Phillips said Lynch would have to request such a declaration by county and would have to show that at least five businesses have suffered from the lack of snow and cold for a disaster to be declared.

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"That should not be difficult to prove," Phillips said.

"One of the things that needs to occur is a group from the state should be visiting businesses to determine how many are economically injured by this occurrence," Phillips said.

Business leaders went around the table in the Executive Council chamber and outlined the effect.

It included layoffs of workers, businesses being refused credit lines, others facing franchise problems and log supply issues that could lead to layoffs in the spring if this becomes a perpetual mud season.

"You can't make up for lost time," state Forester Phil Bryce said.

Jim Tibbetts, president of First Colebrook Bank, said he met yesterday with 26 lodge owners in the Pittsburg area who said they have held on as long as they can and are beginning to lay off workers because of the shortage of snowmobilers. He said the effect is not just on lodging but also on retailers who rely on a steady stream of winter business. Loggers, he said, are idling their equipment, which they purchased with bank loans, and while they have a bit of a time cushion, they will not be able to get in the woods when March's mud season comes.

Bald asked the group to talk about some positive steps that might be taken to improve the situation while noting that weather forecasts for the coming weeks call for snow and cold temperatures.

One suggestion was to get help from the state in the form of a reprieve from paying rooms and meals taxes for affected businesses. Another suggestion was to gather political and regional pressure to help snowmobile dealers with some relief from their franchise agreements.

Another idea was to declare February school vacation week a tax-free week to attract visitors.

Opening some ATV trails to ATV use in the North Country was discussed. Working with ski areas to allow snowmobilers to use the man-made snow trails and perhaps have hill-climb competitions at night was another idea.

Working collectively to get the message out when snow arrives was also discussed by Alice DeSouza, director of travel and tourism. The media blitz would focus on southern New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

"We do understand there is a sense of urgency here," Bald said. "There are a lot of people impacted by this."
 

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It's the no-snowball effect. It's hitting us plowguys hard. Still time left(crossing fingers).
 

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I just saw this article regarding the lack of snow up north:

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/10750235/detail.html

The one part of the article that I thought was interesting was this...

Citing a lack of snow and ice as the cause of their woes, North Country business leaders are pressing Governor John Lynch to seek federal disaster aid for New Hampshire's five northern counties.
I know things are tough but disaster aid for a lack of snow?
 

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If businesses depend on it as well as communities for survival, I don't see this as too shocking. If a natural disaster happened and wiped out the Keys recreation facilities, I'm sure jeb would be calling his brother for a hand.
 

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RTFP was directed at me

Just want to go on the record as saying that the RTFP comment and :dunce: I posted in the related thread was directed at me, not at dmc...I missed that he already posted a link to a related article.
 

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i really dont think "a lack of snow" is the same as a natural disaster wiping out infrastructure where people CANT visit vs. people dont want to visit because of lack of snow....it is unforturnate, but if you are in the industry where your income relys on Mother Nature, then you know the risks.....it be like ocean communities asking for money if it rained everyweekend in the summer and no one was going to the beach......so if they get money this year then have a record breaking year next year, should they give the profits back???
 

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i really dont think "a lack of snow" is the same as a natural disaster wiping out infrastructure where people CANT visit vs. people dont want to visit because of lack of snow....it is unforturnate, but if you are in the industry where your income relys on Mother Nature, then you know the risks.....it be like ocean communities asking for money if it rained everyweekend in the summer and no one was going to the beach......so if they get money this year then have a record breaking year next year, should they give the profits back???


EXCELLENT POINT........

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i really dont think "a lack of snow" is the same as a natural disaster wiping out infrastructure where people CANT visit vs. people dont want to visit because of lack of snow....

If you think of snowmobile and ski trails as a form of infrastructure then you could make an argument where people CAN'T visit the stores and shops that are dependant on snow sports enthusiasts. right now you CAN'T ride a snowmobile in the vast majority of New England and you can only ski 30% of the ski trails. It IS a disaster and many people are suffering economically. Without some help many will not make it to your theoretical "record year" next year.
 

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If you think of snowmobile and ski trails as a form of infrastructure then you could make an argument where people CAN'T visit the stores and shops that are dependant on snow sports enthusiasts. right now you CAN'T ride a snowmobile in the vast majority of New England and you can only ski 30% of the ski trails. It IS a disaster and many people are suffering economically. Without some help many will not make it to your theoretical "record year" next year.


So if its "unseasonably" rainy next summer the merchants from the Jersey shore can ask for "aid" because it wasn't sunny enough and no people bought beach chairs and umbrellas?

I dont think that would be right?

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hey, sales in my business are down, who can i call for aid?? Listen, I'm not a cold hearted bas#$%!, but i just cannot see this as a "disaster"..financal hardship, yes, no question...we ALL want to be skiing/riding more, heck, I havent been out once yet!!! There are still 2-3 months of winter left for things to get better, I think its a bit early be asking for aide....this is an "occupational hazard" of doing business where mother nature controls the variables and everyone in the "snow" industires (hotels/food/plows/groomers/ski/snowmobile) know the risks..its a rollercoaster, some good years, some bad.....teaches to save for the rainy days!!
 

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I put this request form of aid in the realm of a drought in the mid-west where farmers get finacial relief to get through to the next year.

Theres a difference with your comparison....farmers produce a product the country NEEDS...not a leisure activity like skiing or snowmobiling...those are luxuries.

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hey, sales in my business are down, who can i call for aid?? Listen, I'm not a cold hearted bas#$%!, but i just cannot see this as a "disaster"..financal hardship, yes, no question...we ALL want to be skiing/riding more, heck, I havent been out once yet!!! There are still 2-3 months of winter left for things to get better, I think its a bit early be asking for aide....this is an "occupational hazard" of doing business where mother nature controls the variables and everyone in the "snow" industires (hotels/food/plows/groomers/ski/snowmobile) know the risks..its a rollercoaster, some good years, some bad.....teaches to save for the rainy days!!

I hear what you are saying about preparing for bad years. However this year has been an absolutely TERRIBLE year. There is going to be a major economic ripple effect from this poor winter. It isn't too early to start asking for aid in my opinion. The aid will help the affected businesses make it through to next year. At which time if we have another bad winter like this it may be time to cut the losses and start opening surf shops.

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5940547
 

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Got a call from my brother (lives in Moultonborough, NH). Apparently there was something in the Manchester UL about the fuel oil biz as well. Apparently the oil biz is hurting from purchasing oil when it was expensive, signing agreements with their clients (guranteed pricing) and now that prices have dropped, AND heating oil demand is low...they are in a world of hurt.

Same arguments apply as above. The ripple affect will be bad.

From DMC's linked article...the one that I keyed in on is the forestry. No frost, no logging. No logging, no millwork = expensive lumber, expensive home improvement/house building etc.

It's all bad.
 
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