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[Bumpsis]

http://serc.carleton.edu/microbelife/yellowstone/viruslive.html ~ (italics added by me)

Screwing around in labs with genetic codes, whether it be with viruses (whether creating for germ warfare or the vaccination process, which has a very ugly side to it), making tomatoes with bug DNA to protect them from harm, etc, etc, is, IMHO, asking for trouble. Perhaps it's merely accelerating the inevitable, but it's definitely problematic.

I'm much less concerned about lab generated microbes (it's not so easy), be it viruses or bacteria, than how poultry and pork are produced for the masses. Those are the the major fires that stoke the recombination (generation of new strains) process of the flu virues. It is quite clear that the question of a really deadly pandemic is not if but when.
Last issue of Newsweek actually has a well written article about this.

The link that severine provided on viruses is quite good.

 

[Beetlenut]

To add more fuel to the fire, here's some excerpts from an email I received from someone today. I don't necessarily subscribe to all the views presented here, but it does make you think. Don't shoot the messenger...

From: Natural Solutions Foundation
Health Freedom Alert

Living in a Time of Wonder. I wonder how and why:


1. Deaths in Mexico have gone from 168 to 16. Now that is REAL healing! Where are the hundreds of deaths the MMD (media of mass deception) were originally reporting? Where are the thousands of deaths they predicted?

2. CDC said that we should expect to see more severe cases of the Swine Flu on April 26 despite the fact that NONE of the cases they have identified are at all severe.
"We are seeing more cases of swine flu, and we expect to see more cases of swine flu," said Richard Besser, Director of the CDC, at a White House briefing. "I would expect that over time we are going to see more severe disease in this
country."http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/26/cdc-head-expect-more-severe-cases/


3. CDC prepared a "seed stock by April 24, just 10 days after the previously unknown disease was identified. Here's is what it takes to prepare a seed stock:

"Scientists first have to decide which flu strains to use in the vaccine-they typically pick three, based on predictions of how the virus will evolve by next year. (It's still unclear whether they'll include the swine flu in next year's seasonal flu vaccine.) They then inject the strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/ Pretty good work for 10 days, I shouldn't wonder!

4. CDC "justified" declaring a "Health Emergency" on April 27, just 13 days after the "novel" Swine Flu was first "discovered" in a rural town in Mexico.

5. Meriden Company would be able to produce a Swine Flu Virus in just six weeks on April 28. Here is what it takes to produce a vaccine AFTER the seed stock is produced: " inject the [viral] strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." Then comes testing on lab animals, followed by any necessary adjustments to the stock. (Haste can have a price: During the swine flu outbreak of 1976, 500 people who got vaccinated developed <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ScGR%2F%2FkSPy257m%2BDz%2F1AEK1Eb8i3AAym> a disease called Guillain-Barré syndrome <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ia3n%2Bgz40WWE0ZF%2BQYrJVa1Eb8i3AAym> , and 25 of them died.)
Once researchers have finalized the vaccine, they repeat the embryo injection process millions of times. So even if they finalize the vaccine in June, it will take at least until September to produce the first 50 million or so doses. Producing all 600 million doses-enough to give Americans the usual two shots-would take months longer.[Note that no testing in humans or other animals is involved in this schedule]
A new experimental method would grow the virus in individual cells instead of eggs. That process is a lot faster-it could shave weeks off the time it takes to create the seed stock-since cell cultures grow faster than eggs. But that method hasn't been approved yet by the FDA, and there are still doubts about its effectiveness." [Once again, using this vaccine at this stage would mean approving it in the absence of any animal or human testing] http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/

6. WHO raised the alert level to Phase 5, the start of a
Pandemic, on April 29 with one alleged death and only 91 confirmed human cases of a mild, inconsequential flu, with one death. At the moment the Phase 5 start of the Pandemic was created, countries reporting laboratory-confirmed cases with no deaths are: Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the U.K. (5) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124116941340176895.html

7.WHO changed the name of the current "Pandemic" from "Swine Flu" to "H1N1Influenza" because the name "cause an unwarranted clampdown on pork trade" on April 30.http://www.canada.com/Health/changes+swine+name+influenza+H1N1/1549929/story.html
8. Hawaii's Governor, Linda Lingle, said that WHO was considering raising the alert status of the "Pandemic" to Level 6 on May 1 despite the lack of any meaningful threat. http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/health/index.ssf?/base/national-10/1241232303247520.xml&storylist=health

Saving the Best for Last
I wonder at the total absurdity of the following article, printed without change (make sure to read the last sentence!):
9. Ohio health officials say two more cases of H1N1, formerly known as swine flu, have been confirmed in Ohio. That brings the state's total to three. The victims are 31 years old and 33 years old, both are men and both are from Franklin County, near Columbus. Health officials confirmed, last week, a nine year old boy from Elyria has H1N1.
Pennsylvania health officials say there are still no confirmed cases of swine flu in the commonwealth, although they are listing five Philadelphia-area cases as probable. All cases reported so far have been in Philadelphia or Montgomery County.
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention says the outbreak continues to grow in the U.S. Officials gave an update Saturday afternoon and say they now have 160 confirmed cases of H1N1 in 21 states. MD/CDC Interim Deputy Director, Anne Schuchat, said, "The point is that the majority of cases don't have direct contact with Mexico. They didn't travel to Mexico. It is much more likely that people are getting this particular infection now from somebody who has no...from somebody within their own communities."
The World Health Organization has confirmed more than 700 cases of H1N1 flu worldwide so far, in at least 15 countries. And now, Canada officials say pigs have been infected and are under quarantine. It's the first known case of pigs having the virus."
http://www.wytv.com/content/news/local/story/Latest-Update-on-H1N1-Flu/iKowfn7mVUqUHmGGGHlnhg.cspx
Political Pandemic


To my mind, the real threat here is decidedly NOT the disease although it is very clear that the novel virus was manufactured by a lab crew. That is threat enough. But there is more. To my way of thinking, this is a crass, cruel and horrifying example of intentional mayhem and death (although this pandemic, like Avian Flu and SARS has so far fizzled) used as a weapon of not only mass deception, but of mass destruction as well.

I do not believe that this episode, which is far from finished, is merely another exercise in fear mongering by agencies and of potential profiteering by Big Pharma… No, I believe there is additionally a heavy political agenda; a, dare we say, "mind control" agenda, whereby we are all being desensitized to the violations of privacy and health rights that become "normal" during a time of declared "medical emergency?"

The game plan, as I see it, was to have created a major epidemic, invoke the State's Emergency Medical Powers Acts of the States through which, when a Governnor declares a Pandemic, you MUST accept vaccination/treatment or you will automatically be declared to be felon and incarcerated/quarentined indefinitely.

This dovetails precisely with the federal powers invoked when the Secretary of Health and Human Services declares a Pandemic (which would happen first) and the same compulsions desend upon you: either accept vaccination/treatment or be involuntarily quarantined indefinitely.

If people resist, riot or protest? Marshal Law is right around the corner.

Foreign troops (including 300,000 Chinese troops reputed to be quartered at Edwards Air Force Base, in clear violation of the US Constitution) and domestic ones (including NorthCom, in whose mission this type of action lies), police and mercenaries are apparently ready, to one degree or another, to enforce these "safety measures".

Failing this scenario, there is also the political possibility of using the irrational and absurd "Health Emergency Alert" status of the US to divide the country in to the 10 FEMA regions, restrict movement and commerce and build the tension through the MMD, the Media of Mass Deception, so that, finally, when the savior vaccine arrives, the maximum number of people roll up their sleeves to be both "saved" from the "deadly" flu threat or be released from FEMA territorial restrictions.

Do I know this is what is in store for us? Of course not. But do I strongly suspect that these possibilities are not too far off the mark? Yes I do.

And while all this is going on, are you thinking about the insanity and criminality of the bailout? Of the weaponization and industrialization of all food production and control? Of the rapid coming of the new global currency? Of the dissolution of national states under the emergency authority of the United Nations, to whom all power is ceded under a state of "Global Pandemic"? Of course not.

This is the ultimate slight of hand. But instead of a rabbit magically pulled out of the hat, it is a weaponized vaccine in a syringe.

The syringe of death. Death to health, freedom and, very possibly, billions of people.

 

[wa-loaf]

To add more fuel to the fire, here's some excerpts from an email I received from someone today. I don't necessarily subscribe to all the views presented here, but it does make you think. Don't shoot the messenger...

From: Natural Solutions Foundation
Health Freedom Alert

Living in a Time of Wonder. I wonder how and why:


1. Deaths in Mexico have gone from 168 to 16. Now that is REAL healing! Where are the hundreds of deaths the MMD (media of mass deception) were originally reporting? Where are the thousands of deaths they predicted?

2. CDC said that we should expect to see more severe cases of the Swine Flu on April 26 despite the fact that NONE of the cases they have identified are at all severe.
"We are seeing more cases of swine flu, and we expect to see more cases of swine flu," said Richard Besser, Director of the CDC, at a White House briefing. "I would expect that over time we are going to see more severe disease in this
country."http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/26/cdc-head-expect-more-severe-cases/


3. CDC prepared a "seed stock by April 24, just 10 days after the previously unknown disease was identified. Here's is what it takes to prepare a seed stock:

"Scientists first have to decide which flu strains to use in the vaccine-they typically pick three, based on predictions of how the virus will evolve by next year. (It's still unclear whether they'll include the swine flu in next year's seasonal flu vaccine.) They then inject the strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/ Pretty good work for 10 days, I shouldn't wonder!

4. CDC "justified" declaring a "Health Emergency" on April 27, just 13 days after the "novel" Swine Flu was first "discovered" in a rural town in Mexico.

5. Meriden Company would be able to produce a Swine Flu Virus in just six weeks on April 28. Here is what it takes to produce a vaccine AFTER the seed stock is produced: " inject the [viral] strains into chicken embryos, wait for them to multiply, and extract them several days later to create a so-called "seed stock." Then comes testing on lab animals, followed by any necessary adjustments to the stock. (Haste can have a price: During the swine flu outbreak of 1976, 500 people who got vaccinated developed <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ScGR%2F%2FkSPy257m%2BDz%2F1AEK1Eb8i3AAym> a disease called Guillain-Barré syndrome <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=ia3n%2Bgz40WWE0ZF%2BQYrJVa1Eb8i3AAym> , and 25 of them died.)
Once researchers have finalized the vaccine, they repeat the embryo injection process millions of times. So even if they finalize the vaccine in June, it will take at least until September to produce the first 50 million or so doses. Producing all 600 million doses-enough to give Americans the usual two shots-would take months longer.[Note that no testing in humans or other animals is involved in this schedule]
A new experimental method would grow the virus in individual cells instead of eggs. That process is a lot faster-it could shave weeks off the time it takes to create the seed stock-since cell cultures grow faster than eggs. But that method hasn't been approved yet by the FDA, and there are still doubts about its effectiveness." [Once again, using this vaccine at this stage would mean approving it in the absence of any animal or human testing] http://www.slate.com/id/2217007/

6. WHO raised the alert level to Phase 5, the start of a
Pandemic, on April 29 with one alleged death and only 91 confirmed human cases of a mild, inconsequential flu, with one death. At the moment the Phase 5 start of the Pandemic was created, countries reporting laboratory-confirmed cases with no deaths are: Austria (1), Canada (13), Germany (3), Israel (2), New Zealand (3), Spain (4) and the U.K. (5) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124116941340176895.html

7.WHO changed the name of the current "Pandemic" from "Swine Flu" to "H1N1Influenza" because the name "cause an unwarranted clampdown on pork trade" on April 30.http://www.canada.com/Health/changes+swine+name+influenza+H1N1/1549929/story.html
8. Hawaii's Governor, Linda Lingle, said that WHO was considering raising the alert status of the "Pandemic" to Level 6 on May 1 despite the lack of any meaningful threat. http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/health/index.ssf?/base/national-10/1241232303247520.xml&storylist=health

Saving the Best for Last
I wonder at the total absurdity of the following article, printed without change (make sure to read the last sentence!):
9. Ohio health officials say two more cases of H1N1, formerly known as swine flu, have been confirmed in Ohio. That brings the state's total to three. The victims are 31 years old and 33 years old, both are men and both are from Franklin County, near Columbus. Health officials confirmed, last week, a nine year old boy from Elyria has H1N1.
Pennsylvania health officials say there are still no confirmed cases of swine flu in the commonwealth, although they are listing five Philadelphia-area cases as probable. All cases reported so far have been in Philadelphia or Montgomery County.
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention says the outbreak continues to grow in the U.S. Officials gave an update Saturday afternoon and say they now have 160 confirmed cases of H1N1 in 21 states. MD/CDC Interim Deputy Director, Anne Schuchat, said, "The point is that the majority of cases don't have direct contact with Mexico. They didn't travel to Mexico. It is much more likely that people are getting this particular infection now from somebody who has no...from somebody within their own communities."
The World Health Organization has confirmed more than 700 cases of H1N1 flu worldwide so far, in at least 15 countries. And now, Canada officials say pigs have been infected and are under quarantine. It's the first known case of pigs having the virus."
http://www.wytv.com/content/news/local/story/Latest-Update-on-H1N1-Flu/iKowfn7mVUqUHmGGGHlnhg.cspx
Political Pandemic


To my mind, the real threat here is decidedly NOT the disease although it is very clear that the novel virus was manufactured by a lab crew. That is threat enough. But there is more. To my way of thinking, this is a crass, cruel and horrifying example of intentional mayhem and death (although this pandemic, like Avian Flu and SARS has so far fizzled) used as a weapon of not only mass deception, but of mass destruction as well.

I do not believe that this episode, which is far from finished, is merely another exercise in fear mongering by agencies and of potential profiteering by Big Pharma… No, I believe there is additionally a heavy political agenda; a, dare we say, "mind control" agenda, whereby we are all being desensitized to the violations of privacy and health rights that become "normal" during a time of declared "medical emergency?"

The game plan, as I see it, was to have created a major epidemic, invoke the State's Emergency Medical Powers Acts of the States through which, when a Governnor declares a Pandemic, you MUST accept vaccination/treatment or you will automatically be declared to be felon and incarcerated/quarentined indefinitely.

This dovetails precisely with the federal powers invoked when the Secretary of Health and Human Services declares a Pandemic (which would happen first) and the same compulsions desend upon you: either accept vaccination/treatment or be involuntarily quarantined indefinitely.

If people resist, riot or protest? Marshal Law is right around the corner.

Foreign troops (including 300,000 Chinese troops reputed to be quartered at Edwards Air Force Base, in clear violation of the US Constitution) and domestic ones (including NorthCom, in whose mission this type of action lies), police and mercenaries are apparently ready, to one degree or another, to enforce these "safety measures".

Failing this scenario, there is also the political possibility of using the irrational and absurd "Health Emergency Alert" status of the US to divide the country in to the 10 FEMA regions, restrict movement and commerce and build the tension through the MMD, the Media of Mass Deception, so that, finally, when the savior vaccine arrives, the maximum number of people roll up their sleeves to be both "saved" from the "deadly" flu threat or be released from FEMA territorial restrictions.

Do I know this is what is in store for us? Of course not. But do I strongly suspect that these possibilities are not too far off the mark? Yes I do.

And while all this is going on, are you thinking about the insanity and criminality of the bailout? Of the weaponization and industrialization of all food production and control? Of the rapid coming of the new global currency? Of the dissolution of national states under the emergency authority of the United Nations, to whom all power is ceded under a state of "Global Pandemic"? Of course not.

This is the ultimate slight of hand. But instead of a rabbit magically pulled out of the hat, it is a weaponized vaccine in a syringe.

The syringe of death. Death to health, freedom and, very possibly, billions of people.

The black helicopter crowd has landed!

 

[Bumpsis]

The black helicopter crowd has landed!

exactly my sentiments.
Beetlenut, although you said "don't shoot the messenger", you still propagated the message that's essentially nonsense.
It's incredible how easy it is conjure up this consipiracy bs.
"get your angry mob supplies"

 

[Beetlenut]

The black helicopter crowd has landed!

exactly my sentiments.
Beetlenut, although you said "don't shoot the messenger", you still propagated the message that's essentially nonsense.
It's incredible how easy it is conjure up this consipiracy bs.
"get your angry mob supplies"

I also said "to add more fuel to the fire" in my disclaimer, to lively-up the discussion. Guess it worked. It's ok to sometimes think outside the tiny little box that defines your reality! Go sharpen your pitch fork now.

 

[mondeo]

The black helicopter crowd has landed!

+1.

If it were lab-made, it was done by retards. They couldn't even make it any worse than a regular flu. But people love their conspiracies.

I'm really not sure what the point of that thing Beetlenut posted was. The seed stock and vaccine development times are entirely reasonable, and the WHO pandemic levels are fairly clearly defined. I don't think you even need a death, per the definition, to get to level 6.

 

[bvibert]

Would you people please stop bumping this thread? Every time I see it in the index I have a desire to eat bacon...

 

[Beetlenut]

Would you people please stop bumping this thread? Every time I see it in the index I have a desire to eat bacon...

My new briefcase for work:
View attachment 2582

and for you Brian:
View attachment 2583

 

[wa-loaf]

A gift for mothers day:

 

[bvibert]

A gift for mothers day:

That looks more like a gift for Father's day.

 

[drjeff]

And a new wallet

Breath mints

For your martini

And for your ice cream pleasure!

:lol:

 

[wa-loaf]

Vacation house:

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

My new briefcase for work:
View attachment 2582

and for you Brian:
View attachment 2583

A gift for mothers day:

And a new wallet

Breath mints

For your martini

And for your ice cream pleasure!

:lol:

I think I'm gonna eat like a pound of bacon for dinner..thanks guys..but I'm microwaving it for stoke!!!!

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

you can keep the bacon I will take the girl ..

deal..we both win and the girl loses..

 

[Greg]

I got a bit of a head cold. I was in one of the bathroom stalls blowing out snot like crazy. Some dude walked in, heard me, and got the hell out of there! :lol:

 

[2knees]

you can keep the bacon I will take the girl ..

deal..we both win and the girl loses..

now that is a bitch slap....

 

[2knees]

Vacation house:

winner

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

winner

winner winner chicken dinner..

 

[hammer]

Bump...

Anyone been having problems getting seasonal or H1N1 shots? Managed to get my daughter an H1N1 shot yesterday, but they ran out of seasonal flu vaccine and we were told "don't expect any more". My and my wife's doctors ended up canceling flu shot clinics with no information on when they will start back up.

Seems a bit fishy that the local drug stores have vaccine available...at a price (not covered by insurance). :???:

 

[severine]

Local drug stores ran out in our town on Friday. I wasn't there to get one--I was picking up a script and found a long line. The girl behind the counter explained that they were the last ones in town with the vaccine and had just administered their last dose, so they expect the crowds to diminish.

There were 11 confirmed cases recently in one pediatrician's office 1 town away, so that's probably why there's been such a rush around here.

That said, we weren't even looking for it, even with kids in the high risk group and being high risk myself (I have asthma).


Bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon...... Has Pat eaten a pound of it in the middle of the night lately?