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Ragged, NH 03-03-09

billski

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It occurred to me today that entering a ski lodge early in the AM is a lot like entering a church before the service. The mood is solemn and quiet. People go about their business quietly. They dress in their ceremonial robes. Donations are collected at the ticket counter. The votive candles are lit. The great chamber is vastly empty. It seems as if the experience is almost religious. At a small resort like Ragged, there is no hustle and bustle. You get the parking spot of the cantor.

The retiree men were in their designated seats in the lodge drinking coffee, not looking to be in a hurry. I came in for lunch, they were still there. I don't know if they ever skied. I imagine me doing that in about 20 years. Maybe.

The high priests of ski patrol had gathered in masses. There was an inordinate number on-duty, perhaps 8-10 for such a small mt.. contrast to black where I met a total of one guy all day.

The resort has changed a lot since I last visited with kids 7 years ago. They really developed Spear mountain, they built real glades trails, they attempted a summit restaurant until they found the walls were entirely rotten. We all know about golf, but the interesting development stuff (I yacked with a lot of people) is that the slow double chair for village green will be relocated to serve a real estate development and replaced by a newer, faster lift to the peak of an undeveloped third peak.

Anyways, the day was clear and bright. I really had wanted to do woods, but was resigned this would not be. On the off chance, I trundled down to the ski patrol office and consulted with the high priests. Indeed, the highest one indicated that ropes would drop today, that Ragged patrol has an "aggressive rope dropping policy". We'll see.

Up to the top, with my obligatory groomer photo. 6-8" reported.
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Started the day on "rags to riches" glades. A Helluva a start. Turns out that the ice tundra makes a perfect woods base. Kinda sketchy on the steeps, rocks, stumps, but after that it was heavenly. The snow atop it was hugely flotable, turnable, and acres of untracked pow were to be had.
Second run, the trail was roped closed. The patrol was just finishing the rope, and I went to him and said "hey, I just skied that, it was wonderful, why you closing it?" he says it's too barren on the top, but he's going to open access to it a little lower. Follow him and we can go in together. Won't find it on your own. He was right. It's not marked, but there are lots of "official" cut ins all over the mountain. But they are entirely unmarked. As we went in, we crossed Sweepstakes trail which was entirely unskiable, bullet-proof moguls that shone in the sun, the pow whipped to the woods. That was one of two trails closed for the day. Then he takes me to a second rope and says, "you can go ahead of me. You won't get first tracks, but you'll get second". Wow. I was in heaven. Praise the Lord!

The Spear mountain only had one glades open, off of cardigan, a fun but short run. as I'm going up the lift, I see partrol dropping another rope, a bit further down from the top from Double Take and Not Too Shabby and Miss Behavin. I shouted to ask if he was opening it, sure enough he was. Fresh untracked everywhere. I skied about 5 hours in the woods today. The woods skied great. I hit my wall about 230pm and went to groomers

some random photos, in no particular order:

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when I emerged from the woods and decided to spend the remaining hour on marked trals, I did find a couple of ungroomed. The "Raggae Glades" is really not glades at all, but generously spaced trees on an ungroomed, very wide trail. Skied very nicely
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So what about groomers? Not my cup of tea, but I can tell you that they skied like butter. The snow was dense enough with the right amount of moisture to take right to the trails. Very, very few icy spots. Bring the kids, the spouse and grandma, the conditions are great for everyone.
 

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What a pissah! Man I've been one to two days early or late all winter. :mad:

Glad you had a great day though. I enjoyed Ragged even on a crappy day. It's getting serious consideration for a pass next winter if the price is still $299. What it has to offer in terms of glades and the six pack seems worth $200 extra to me over the Tenney pass next season for my Saturday escape the crowds destination.
 

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Nice! Last week I only skied one groomer, besides the run-outs. Not-too-shabby has got to be my favorite glade there.
 

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Nice report! Has Ragged added more trees recently? I recall decent trees in between the six pack and Speare Mountain, but sounds like they have added some more tree runs in recent years. I certainly like their rope policy and super cool for a patrol to show you unmarked "lower" entrances.

It is crazy how big of a discrepancy Ragged has between their season tickets and their day tickets. That liftopia deal is crazy good for Ragged. Ragged is the 2nd closest mountain to me as the crow flies but I rarely ski there because of the price. Three bills for a season pass for a mountain of Ragged's caliber is one of the best values in New England right now. I suspect that price will be going up this summer. Sounds like they might have needed a cash infusion during the non-snowy months as the pass is under valued.
 

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Three bills for a season pass for a mountain of Ragged's caliber is one of the best values in New England right now. I suspect that price will be going up this summer. Sounds like they might have needed a cash infusion during the non-snowy months as the pass is under valued.

I hope they follow Killington and Mt. Snows lead and hold the line. My thoughts for next season are split between the Ragged Pass and NH resident Cannon at $475 if that price remains. Cannon is definitely by far the superior mountain, but Ragged is a half hour closer, fewer crowds and the $175 savings could be used to spread out and ski about a half dozen days at different areas and variety is something I really enjoy. Tough call.
 

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I hope they follow Killington and Mt. Snows lead and hold the line. My thoughts for next season are split between the Ragged Pass and NH resident Cannon at $475 if that price remains. Cannon is definitely by far the superior mountain, but Ragged is a half hour closer, fewer crowds and the $175 savings could be used to spread out and ski about a half dozen days at different areas and variety is something I really enjoy. Tough call.

According to a seemingly informed employee, the resort is owned by a company out west that really has no idea how to market to the east coast market. They seem to be leaning heavily on the local staff to figure that out. Since the mountain has always struggled with effective marketing (there is very poor awareness of Ragged in the New England skiing/boarding community) I think the jury is out. It wouldn't hurt to send them a note of encouragement regarding pricing. It seems that everytime I reach out to one of these midmarket areas, the people jump all over me and make comments that they don't get much feedback other than anecdotal information. I guess they have no staff to do a real market analysis, maybe?

Ragged came with a huge amount of real estate, which they plan to develop and make their money on. I fear that what happens here is that they get so distracted by their golf course and real estate that skiing gets neglected. It seems now that there is a plan, and some pockets of cash,, as evidenced by the development I mentioned above.

I neglected to mention they have a proportionately large terrain park, with some big mutha jumps, all sequestered on their own trail, and a nice beginner area which is also sequestered.

By the way, the base facilities are very modern and well-taken care of. It's got a lot of potential to scale.

I do not know if more gladed areas were added recently. It's been 6-7 years and I used to take my kids there a lot for lessons, but glades were not on my radar at the time. I do not think I was skiing on "official" woods trails half of the time (got smacked several times by offending branches), though the powder may have been obfuscating any semblance of herd paths; a good problem to have ;) If you look around (and I always do) there was lots to be found. The entire ravine between Six Pack and Spear is skiable at this point in the season. I always forget my gps when I go woods skiing. Maybe just as well, some things should remain unmapped...
 
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Real nice...

I have to get back to Ragged, real shame my work schedule and vacation time won't allow it right now...:sad:
 

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Glad to see Ragged is getting the props. I have been a big fan of this place for years.

And yeah reggae glades is really not a glade but they leave it ungroomed so moguls can form. Its a moderate pitch, a nice place to start skiing moguls. Prolly the place where I got hooked on those damn things.
 
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Glad to see Ragged is getting the props. I have been a big fan of this place for years.

And yeah reggae glades is really not a glade but they leave it ungroomed so moguls can form. Its a moderate pitch, a nice place to start skiing moguls. Prolly the place where I got hooked on those damn things.

This another factor between choosing Ragged or Cannon next year......bumps. I'm thinking Cannon by far has the upper hand here.
 

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This another factor between choosing Ragged or Cannon next year......bumps. I'm thinking Cannon by far has the upper hand here.

Problem with Cannon is always exposure to the element; same goes with the bumps. They usually let them form at rocket and zoomer, its lower mountain but those trails are still exposed to the wind so the bumps become hard or firm in short time.Same goes for scrabble I only skied (hack down in reality) b/c it was icy. The bumps would be great if they get fresh toppings.

I think there was a period of 2-3 years just before new management where they had little snow and one year where the water pipe frozed..... getting a pass for that would blow.
 

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Problem with Cannon is always exposure to the element; same goes with the bumps. They usually let them form at rocket and zoomer, its lower mountain but those trails are still exposed to the wind so the bumps become hard or firm in short time.Same goes for scrabble I only skied (hack down in reality) b/c it was icy. The bumps would be great if they get fresh toppings.

I think there was a period of 2-3 years just before new management where they had little snow and one year where the water pipe frozed..... getting a pass for that would blow.

One thing I definitely didn't get about Cannon was how wide some of the 'Front Five' are. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I think they should re-plant 40 foot wide swaths of trees on Avalanche and Paulies and make it the front 7.
 

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I skied Ragged yesterday. It has been about four or five years since I skiied it the last time. I had forgotten a lot of things about the mountain. One being, how slow the Spear Mountain triple is. Painful. It needs to be replaced. The other is the flat runout at the bottom of the mountain. There really is nothing there that has any sustained steep pitches for any distance. I had a free ticket and it was worth the drive for the glade skiing. The one thing that the mountain has is some the best glade skiing in central NH when there is snow. There was absolutely no mogul fields on the mountain at all. Flying Yankee was all bumped the last time I was there. It was a good run with the moguls. Ragged needs some work by the new owners to make it competitive with similar resorts aka Sunapee.
 

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I skied Ragged yesterday. It has been about four or five years since I skiied it the last time. I had forgotten a lot of things about the mountain. One being, how slow the Spear Mountain triple is. Painful. It needs to be replaced. The other is the flat runout at the bottom of the mountain. There really is nothing there that has any sustained steep pitches for any distance. I had a free ticket and it was worth the drive for the glade skiing. The one thing that the mountain has is some the best glade skiing in central NH when there is snow. There was absolutely no mogul fields on the mountain at all. Flying Yankee was all bumped the last time I was there. It was a good run with the moguls. Ragged needs some work by the new owners to make it competitive with similar resorts aka Sunapee.

Yep. that runout is nasty and I'm even on skis. If it were at all financially possible, I'd suggest another lift back there.

Regarding moguls, There wasn't much choice for a lot of areas that far south but to run goomers over them to get something skiable. I inadvertently got off onto some ungroomed marked trails (non-woods) and it was ice skating at it's finest. Who would have thunk 60 degrees even a week ago? Red wax alarm.
 
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