Roger Clemens

[Brettski]

Shouldn't we be more worried about Enron loopholes?

GO GIANTS

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

The NFL has a drug testing policy. They post it for all the teams to see at the beginning of each year so they can prepare for it.

MLB has a testing program, too. The NFL had one for longer, but (I think) it was a joke of a program. However, the NFL definitely spun a good story claiming they "handled" the steroids issue.

I'm talking about media and public perception. When an NFL player is found to have taken steroids, no one seems to care, but a baseball player? Scandal!!

Check out this article (for example), which highlights the free pass the NFL gets in all this: http://openmike.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/06/499136.aspx

"Take Shawne Merriman, the Charger linebacker who was suspended for four games last year as a first-time offender. He effectively ended Priest Holmes’ career a couple of years ago with a vicious hit, the force of which may have been augmented by illegal drugs.

You’d think that would outrage football fans and make Merriman an outcast. Far from it. Instead, he’s doing Nike commercials and being held up as a paragon of linebacking."

Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Merriman was voted an AP All-Pro player the same year he served a 4-game suspension for steroids use. Ridiculous.

See this article, too: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/132505/the_double_standard_between_mlb_and.html

 

[Mike P.]

Does Hockey & the NBA have a drug policy? Baseball is close to a free pass, at least for the first offense. Sports are becoming more like the WWE, just entertainment. Do the Ultimate fighting shows & now American Gladiator have policies? Soon maybe we can all cheer for Jonathan E. (Anyone remember the 70's cult classic starring James Caan) I doubt they would test for Roids there, in fact they shoudl of been encouraged.

Roger, IMO he's guilty & the writers should take care of his legacy just like Bonds & McGwire. It would be nice to see Jim Rice get in, no allegations there.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

It would be nice to see Jim Rice get in, no allegations there.

Yeah, Jim Rice probably didn't take steroids, but I hope that's not why he gets in.

This SI article says it all: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/01/09/bp.jimrice/index.html

 

[Paul]

MLB has a testing program, too. The NFL had one for longer, but (I think) it was a joke of a program. However, the NFL definitely spun a good story claiming they "handled" the steroids issue.

I'm talking about media and public perception. When an NFL player is found to have taken steroids, no one seems to care, but a baseball player? Scandal!!

Check out this article (for example), which highlights the free pass the NFL gets in all this: http://openmike.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/06/499136.aspx

"Take Shawne Merriman, the Charger linebacker who was suspended for four games last year as a first-time offender. He effectively ended Priest Holmes’ career a couple of years ago with a vicious hit, the force of which may have been augmented by illegal drugs.

You’d think that would outrage football fans and make Merriman an outcast. Far from it. Instead, he’s doing Nike commercials and being held up as a paragon of linebacking."

Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Merriman was voted an AP All-Pro player the same year he served a 4-game suspension for steroids use. Ridiculous.

See this article, too: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/132505/the_double_standard_between_mlb_and.html

The NFL policy may be a joke, but at least it has a policy. MLB doesn't even have that. Both (if not all) sports really don't discourage the use of any "performance enhancements" as that helps bring the interest. Like Mike said, Rollerball is not far-off. People (public and owners alike) are willing to look the other way in regards to steroids / HGH in the NFL as its more expected for the players to do so. When we have bits on ESPN called "Jacked-Up" and idiots like Tom Jackson and Stu Scott baying like jackals when players are hit hard....

Just sayin' its a different "culture" that's all...

 

[deadheadskier]

The NBA I think has the lightest policy. I know it's not the same and certainly not performance enhancing, except for competitive eating, but I'm almost certain the NBA doesn't test for pot or other recreational drugs.

 

[Hawkshot99]

Steroids should not be in the game, and the players should be banned ont he first offense. You dont accidently sit on a needle.

With that in mind, there is no way that Capitol Hill should be doing anything with steroids. It should be handeled entirely by baseball, not goverment.

 

[Paul]

Steroids should not be in the game, and the players should be banned ont he first offense. You dont accidently sit on a needle.

With that in mind, there is no way that Capitol Hill should be doing anything with steroids. It should be handeled entirely by baseball, not goverment.

Well, they ARE illegal...

 

[Hawkshot99]

Well, they ARE illegal...

Good then go and arrest the guys, and treat them like regular people. Congress does not want to talk to me when I get arrested.

 

[Paul]

Good then go and arrest the guys, and treat them like regular people. Congress does not want to talk to me when I get arrested.

Point...

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Congress does not want to talk to me when I get arrested.

What did you do?

 

[Hawkshot99]

What did you do?

Slipped and fell a$$ first on to a needle that just happened to be filled with steroids. Pure accident.:wink:

 

[Mildcat]

Slipped and fell a$$ first on to a needle that just happened to be filled with steroids. Pure accident.:wink:

Are you sure it wasn't B12?

 

[Hawkshot99]

Are you sure it wasn't B12?

Well now I am crazy strong. So I am assuming....

 

[jack97]

Shouldn't we be more worried about Enron loopholes?

GO GIANTS

Athletes are consider role models, they should not be but it is what it is. Given such, what they do to achieve a high performance level does influences how youngster will train and what they need to do to achieve that level. Kind of silly but it is reality.

 

[JimG.]

Well, they ARE illegal...

Yeah...

But they're used by spolied rich athletes who use them to keep up in a money game peddled by the owners.

I say take 'em all out back and shoot them if you want to, I won't say anything.

But I don't want the gov't using my tax money to create a soap opera.

And that's as political as we should let it get.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

But I don't want the gov't using my tax money to create a soap opera.

And that's as political as we should let it get.

I don't think that's fair. The government SHOULD be involved.

The owners and corporate interests are making lots of money off of us fans, kids are taking steroids to be like their heros (and with the hope of maybe making lots of money some day) and many people on many levels (not just spoiled rich athletes) are breaking state and federal laws.

If it weren't for Congress, MLB and the NFL wouldn't have done 10% of what they've done over the past few years. And, sadly, I'd still be worshiping Clemens as the greatest (or second greatest (A-Rod)) baseball player I'd ever get to see play the game.

 

[JimG.]

I don't think that's fair. The government SHOULD be involved.

The owners and corporate interests are making lots of money off of us fans, kids are taking steroids to be like their heros (and with the hope of maybe making lots of money some day) and many people on many levels (not just spoiled rich athletes) are breaking state and federal laws.

If it weren't for Congress, MLB and the NFL wouldn't have done 10% of what they've done over the past few years. And, sadly, I'd still be worshiping Clemens as the greatest (or second greatest (A-Rod)) baseball player I'd ever get to see play the game.

Nobody is twisting my arm to spend alot of money on sports. If you don't like what's going on, don't participate in the program. Vote with your dollars. You make it sound like sports is an addiction people can't live without. Pitiful if true.

As for kids who take steroids, don't look to the athletes...look to the parents.

Law enforcement should be dealing with those who break state and federal laws.

Congress should not be spending time dealing with entertainment properties like sports. Listen to the mispronunciation of athletes, owners, and baseball executives' names during the hearings to see how out of touch they are. It accomplishes nothing.