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[C-Rex]

I could care less where people eat their lunch, what annoys the crap out of me is all the parents and non-skiers camped out at tables all day. It really pisses me off when I just want to sit for a minute and have a beer and a cliff bar and there are no seats because these a-holes have "claimed" them all. I'd love it if resorts started policies against that BS.

 

[MidnightJester]

Have gotten into a few nasty yelling matches with the non skiiers or family members who are policing family tables like they rented them for the day.

 

[spring_mountain_high]

Not the ones I've seen.

almost every stadium i've been to allows outside food...just in the past year i've brought my own food into Yankee Stadium, Citizens Bank Park, The Linc, Princeton Stadium and Camden Yards

 

[Cornhead]

Elk has a nice spot for brown bagging, or grilling, indoors. I think it used to be the original lodge. The only problem is you need to be a season pass holder on mid season weekends to be able to drive up the hill to drop supplies off, they won't let you up the hill in your car unless you're a pass holder.





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[ScottySkis]

platty was pscked wirh people sitting all dah inside thr lodge a lot this winter so annoying.....

 

[VTKilarney]

While I agree that it is insanely annoying to see someone take up a table all day, what do we really expect non-skiing parents to do all day? They've got to find somewhere to sit.

I suppose the best thing would be for them to sit as a group at the fewest tables possible and only take up more space when skiing family members join them for lunch.

 

[MidnightJester]

The problem is they don't try to "minimize" their personal space and belonging footprint. If a mom is staying behind she should sit in one corner of the table with the belonging around her. They usually don't. Its spread most the table, ontop, under by the middle. The issue has come up when we move and push their things into a pile somewhere they aren't currently. Of course this a weekend only problem due to demand and space limitations.

 

[thetrailboss]

I believe that Burke enforces a no-brown-bag policy on the weekends. Burke is REALLY hurting when it comes to facilities for gearing up and eating lunch at the Sherburne base. The ski rental department took over the portable (tent-like) building, which means that there is just a small amount of space in the lower level near the ticket counter.

If they can get the Tamarack grill out of there, they could have a nice cafeteria and bar upstairs and have the ground floor level be a nice changing area and brown bag area.

That's kind of what they used to have.

I didn't see any problem with what they had been doing.

 

[VTKilarney]

Understood. They should only occupy the space that is required at any given time. Taking up a whole table when you only need that amount of space for half an hour during the whole day is unacceptable.

 

[thetrailboss]

I also have to point out - some people are getting carried away with the whole lunch thing and bringing in crock pots, sandwich makers etc. That shit takes up real estate and on busy days sucks!

Brown baggie areas. Not some places, There are mountains that have signs saying no outside food and coolers. The problem is the People, Some groups worse then others. The more ethnic the groups the worse they are cause they like their food and not the mountain choices. They take over areas and leave all their belonging in place like it is their table for the Day. Sometimes 20% 1 in 5 tables is full of belongings and food with no or few people. Other times it is way worse then 1in5. That is the bullshit part. Mom or someone stays behind takes over area while whoever plays.

I think it comes down to folks being considerate of others. This applies to putting skis in the rack, sharing common space in the lodge, picking up your stuff and keeping your stuff together. I think that if folks were more considerate then the whole "brown baggers over there" crap would not happen.

Before I left Vermont in 2011 I also noticed folks beginning to basically set up kitchens in the lodge with crock pots or whatever. On a midweek day when there is nobody around it might be neat, but on a busy weekend or holiday it is just plain selfish. The sense of entitlement is wrong.

If I was a resort manager and seeing crap like this then I would be more inclined to stop brown baggers.

As for specific places, there is no need for Burke to make the main floor off-limits to brown baggers, especially considering that (1) you're in the poorest part of Vermont, (2) it's BURKE and the place is quiet most of the time, (3) folks do the hybrid thing (as said), and (4) most of the midweek period there are school groups there and not many day skiers. It doesn't make sense to have that area just be empty.

And someone mentioned Brighton having a separate brown bag lodge. They do and it is a dump inside.

 

[MidnightJester]

The first management moves/fight have already started. The no outside food/coolers is new within the last 5 years or so I think. I do like the set areas for people bringing food though. The way it is these days when a new lodge gets built and they spend 10,20 million or more the less they want outside food in. That is what drives them, replacing their capitol investments.

 

[VTKilarney]

It may make sense to have a small non-skier lounge area that is distinct from the eating area. If you aren't actually eating, you need to be in the lounge area. Throw a couple of sofas and chairs in the lounge area and make it clear that it is not to be used for changing into boots, etc.

The more I think about it, the less tolerance I am having for non-skiing family members. If your child is on the swim team, do you really expect to be able to set up shop in a cafeteria all day while your child participates in their swim meet? Somehow those parents find a way to survive.

 

[BenedictGomez]

take over areas and leave all their belonging in place like it is their table for the Day. Sometimes 20% 1 in 5 tables is full of belongings and food with no or few people. Other times it is way worse then 1in5. That is the bullshit part. Mom or someone stays behind takes over area while whoever plays.

This is so rude and inconsiderate it drives me NUTS. And 1 in 5 is generous. I'd say it's more like 50% standard at most places.

 

[Tin]

Just sit down at the table and start hitting on the mom. If you're good at it by the time you're done eating you might get a nice knit Nordic hat.

 

[dlague]

I think it comes down to folks being considerate of others. This applies to putting skis in the rack, sharing common space in the lodge, picking up your stuff and keeping your stuff together. I think that if folks were more considerate then the whole "brown baggers over there" crap would not happen.

Before I left Vermont in 2011 I also noticed folks beginning to basically set up kitchens in the lodge with crock pots or whatever. On a midweek day when there is nobody around it might be neat, but on a busy weekend or holiday it is just plain selfish. The sense of entitlement is wrong.

If I was a resort manager and seeing crap like this then I would be more inclined to stop brown baggers.

As for specific places, there is no need for Burke to make the main floor off-limits to brown baggers, especially considering that (1) you're in the poorest part of Vermont, (2) it's BURKE and the place is quiet most of the time, (3) folks do the hybrid thing (as said), and (4) most of the midweek period there are school groups there and not many day skiers. It doesn't make sense to have that area just be empty.

And someone mentioned Brighton having a separate brown bag lodge. They do and it is a dump inside.

Burke does not even want boot bags in there! As long as I have skied there that was always allowed! I guess they want you to use that locker room area down stairs that has no personality! There are a bunch of little things that have changed that I think are petty!

 

[thetrailboss]

Burke does not even want boot bags in there! As long as I have skied there that was always allowed! I guess they want you to use that locker room area down stairs that has no personality! There are a bunch of little things that have changed that I think are petty!

That was started by Ginn in 2005.

 

[C-Rex]

Just sit down at the table and start hitting on the mom. If you're good at it by the time you're done eating you might get a nice knit Nordic hat.

That's a good strategy. You will either end up with some great MILF action or creep her out to the point of going and locking herself in her car. Either way, you win.

I don't mind if someone sits there, but when they claim the whole table for the day, that's BS.

Trailboss, hit the nail on the head. It's about being considerate to others, which is dying as fast as chivalry, personal responsibility, and a strong work ethic in this country.

 

[Scruffy]

While I agree in principal, the reality is your lift ticket purchase is to ride the lifts. Showing up at the ski resort's pub or restaurant, etc... with your own food is really no fundamentally different than walking into Red Lobster or Olive Garden and sitting down with your brown bag. The only difference is cultural acceptance and tradition.

A ski resorts pub or restaurant, yes; but aren't we talking about day lodges that also sell food. The problem the ski areas have is they have always ( within modern times and with some very limited exceptions noted) provided day lodges for skiers to boot up, change cloths, or just get in out of the elements and rest ( western ski area tradition of booting up in the parking lot notwithstanding ). The fact that they also sell food puts the use of these day lodges at odds with guests expectations.

 

[Wavewheeler]

Agree 100%.

In fact, I save so much money Skiing On The Cheap, that the gf and I usually eat lunch at the nicest option at any resort we ski at. We wouldn't do that if the food stunk. I recall days of my youth when tinfoil wrapped dried out chicken sandwiches and shoeleather hamburgers for $7.50 were about your only options. That's not the case anymore.

Generally speaking, for $9.99 to $12.99 you can get a fantastic lunch at most places, including all the below where I've eaten recently, in order of how I'd rate the food:



Jay Peak - Alice's Table
Smuggler's Notch - Green Peppers
Plattekill - upstairs by the bar
Elk Mountain - Winter Garden Restaurant
Sugarbush - Tavern
Gore - The bar



Two exceptions:
Shawnee Mountain - ate atop the mountain, which IS the "nice" option, and it's nothing great. Not terrible, but nothing special.
Whiteface - Again, the bar/lounge area isnt awful, but it's nowhere near as good as the above options.

The new Killington Peak Lodge has awesome chili and food. Not cheap but tasty. I also love the empanadas at the Stage II Skyeship Gondola.

I often bring a granola bar to tide me over and keep lunch light and quick. The chili at Hunter is good. Mountain Creek has the worst food. Disgusting.

 

[Wavewheeler]

I enjoyed the ambience at Platty, especially the upstairs bar area, which had great cooked to order food. The downstairs fireplace was nice too.