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Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke

thetrailboss

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Wow, tough crowd in here today...

I agree, SB ended in right in the middle of the of the solid success category... neither minimal nor overwhelming, but good and solid right down the middle with them still improving more as time passes.

Oh, and I thought I had read somewhere too that they used the "job retention" metric... but I don't recollect where I had seen that.

Why do you say tough crowd and quote me?
 

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Its disturbing how you use every thread and issue to further your own political views. I dont know whether you are trying to convince yourself or others, but imho, it would be nice if you kept it to yourself.

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And just to mark this moment. This is an exact example as to why I deleted your post a few years ago regarding Quiros and VT Democratic party donations. You are arguably the most overtly political member of this community. I deleted that post because I knew what the community reaction would be.

This afternoon I read your post above and briefly considered deleting it for the exact same reason. I also considered correcting it to bipartisan truth like Harvey did. Instead I let it go as I and the rest of the moderators have no interest in intervening in such crap. We'd rather it just not happen. Low and behold, look at the reaction you got. The community responded exactly how I felt.

The forums rules on politics are quite clear. Keep it to yourself. The next time you see something like economic policy as an opening to crowbar in your political leanings, just don't. Nobody cares. This isn't the forum for it and hopefully never will be.

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I think you're confusing it with something else.

Its disturbing how you use every thread and issue to further your own political views.

I didn't bring it "up", and it's not a view, or even an "opinion", not to mention, it's literally relevant to the EB-5 discussion. I dont care if you dont like what I said, and you can disagree with a heliocentric universe too if you like, but the dubious "jobs created and/or saved" metric was virtually unheard of pre-2009, certainly not used in any serious way, and while I dont exactly when it first came to be, it likely wasn't until this millennia. It's an intellectually non-serious metric, solely intended for "boondoggle accounting", in other words, it's perfect for EB-5.
 

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This is an exact example as to why I deleted your post a few years ago regarding Quiros and VT Democratic party donations.

Total BS (as everyone has already told you).

That one's not even arguable on your part that somehow it could have been construed as anything but 100% relevant to the topic of the thread.

In fact, as I recall, I intentionally kept that as nonpartison as possible, by posting a picture of the documents with only a little commentary pointing out how it's obvious Quiros is funding Vermont politicians (which we now know beyond a shadow of a doubt, was true).
 

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Everyone can tell me what I was thinking? Yeah no. Not everyone pretends to know everything in the world about other people and their motivations like you do.

You are FAR and away the most political member of this forum. I deleted it because the community reaction was going to be exactly the same as what just occurred here.

People don't want to hear your politics, so just stop.
 

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I am pretty sure that Sugarbush's position was that if they did not get the EB-5 money that they would have to close. No joke. I will let you all be the judge of that claim.
That was before Summit Venture. Nothing to do with EB-5

It was my understanding that they were statisfying the job creation requirements of the program.
Google is your friend, look it up.
 

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People don't want to hear your politics, so just stop.

Sorry, I wont talk about the direct accounting experience I have with an EB-5 metric in the EB-5 thread, and how it's relevant to EB-5 shenanigans, after someone else brings it up.

The reality is, the only "mistake" I made was mentioning Obama by name - had I said literally everything else, precisely the same, the few people with their panties in a bunch would nod their head and agree and would not have said a word. And. You. Know. It.
 

deadheadskier

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. And. You. Know. It.

No.I.Don't.

And.neither.do.you.

That is why it's best to just STFU regarding anything political per the rules of this forum.

And it's not like I don't have my own political perspectives as well. I'll discuss them elsewhere on the internet if I feel the urge. You need to learn to do the same.

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That was before Summit Venture. Nothing to do with EB-5


Google is your friend, look it up.

No, I'm pretty sure that was their argument. ASC argued that if they could not build a hotel then the resort would die during land development reviews.



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No, I'm pretty sure that was their argument. ASC argued that if they could not build a hotel then the resort would die during land development reviews.

What's the relevance of ASC? If Summit Ventures bought SB in 2001 and the EB5 use at SB didn't start until 2007 or so, then wasn't ASC long gone by then? Summit Ventures couldn't have predicted that EB5 money would become available when they purchased SB from ASC, so I would think they had some plan that would have allowed them to survive without that money (obviously not with all the build out that they have today...but Win is a very smart business man so I find it hard to believe he would have bought SB only to say a few years later that they'd close without the EB5 money). Perhaps there was a lot of unexpected expenses (and I know Win has outright said ASC left them with a lot of deferred maintenance on infrastructure...so perhaps they weren't quite aware of the full scope of that at the time of purchase).
 

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Sugarbush was purchased with an unsolicited offer from Summit Ventures. ASC sold to reduce it's debt. The contract to install the new Castle Rock chair was signed by ASC not Summit Venture. Doesn't sound to me like ASC gave up on the place.

Talk of bankruptcy was with the previous owners before ASC.
 
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