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ctenidae

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Not that any of you are asking for it, and I wouldn't recommend you take this advice without doing your own research and seeking more qualified council, but there are some troubling events on the horizon.

The important nugget is interest rates are going to go up, possibly quite dramatically and probably rather soon. If you've got an adjustable mortgage due to reset in the next 3-12 months, I'd consider shopping around for a fixed refi.

Here's the nutshell rationale:
Subprime loans are resetting rapidly at much higher interest rates, leading to greater defaults. This fact has led the buyers of subprime mortgages to stop buying lately. However, most subprime mortgages are packaged with higher quality debt, and since no one wants the subprime stuff, the high quality isn't getting bought, either. Banks that have been underwriting the high quality stuff are now having trouble selling the debt off, meaning they hae to keep it on their balance shees, which they do not want to do. As a result, they aren't underwriting new debt (Chrysler just cancelled a big debt offering). Since the banks don't want to take the risk of holding the debt, they're going to tighten credit, mostly by raising interest rates substantially.

Back to the subprime resets, for many homeowners who bought way more than they could afford (we'll leave predatory lending, etc, for another discussion) it's become economically feasible, and preferrable, to default on the mortgage rather than pay it (sucks paying a $500,000 mortgage on a $350,000 home). This puts a lot of foreclosures on teh market, which depresses home values overall. Without the equity cushion, consumers loose confidence (those numbers come out today, and I expect them to still be high. Check again in 6 months). With no confidence, consumer spending drops (out today, too, and I expect them to be stable). Consumers stop buying, manufacturers stop producing, which means they lay off workers, which further cuts spending. Vicious cycle, there. With demand low and interest rates high, companies can't or won't borrow money to expand. Result: economic slowdown.

The most frustrating thing is, I know what's going to happen, but I can't think of a defensive play. Usually, when bonds fall, equities rise, and vice versa. This is going to be across the board.
 

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I've got a shovel and some mason jars you can buy! :lol:

Not a bad idea, if inflation stays low. At least that way, you're only losing 2-3%.
Seriously, though, it's been downplayed a bit in the media, and politicians are painting a rosey picture (recessions are bad for re-election), but there are some serious cracks forming. Time for the Doom and Gloom Portfolio (tm): Alcohol, pawn shops, and funeral homes.
 

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Know any publicly traded pawn shops? Those cash checking places fit in with that category.

Have you been reading the globe recently?

I hadn't seen that article. Nice how he lays blame at the end on people who "make too much money," especially considering the liquidity that has driven much of the past few year's excesses has come from public pension plans looking for returns for their (not making much money) constituents.

I've been stressed about this scenario for about a year and a half now, I've just been waiting for some of the signs to appear, and they've started to.

Here's what Google Finance has for publicly traded pawn shops:
http://finance.google.com/finance?q=pawn+shops&restype=company

37 of them.
 

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The most frustrating thing is, I know what's going to happen, but I can't think of a defensive play. Usually, when bonds fall, equities rise, and vice versa. This is going to be across the board.
Yea, that is the part the bothers me. This isn't the first and will not be the last such financial prediction of a dire future. Then the whole thing has to trickle down throughout the rest of the economy. I already put together a plan to be completely debt free, own a home without a mortgage, and have two cars fully paid for before the predicted year social security tanks. We are closing on our home this month and getting the sucker fixed. The sucky thing is this is intended to be a short term (7 year) purchase before we decide where to settle down. I've been thinking later it might need to be slightly longer as all the equity we can build in seven years isn't going to amount to a hill of beans if interest rates hit double digits by the time we sell/buy. I am no financial analyst or pro, but I do try to keep a finger on what is happening, and things are looking pretty bleak for a while. Refinancing can get damn expensive but definitely a good idea if the mortgage is currently variable.

Pretty scary how easy things can correct themselves. No one really knows when they are heading for a cliff until it is too late to slam on the breaks. Who knew all that great stuff happening for the economy would bite everyone in the butt down the road? That is why sound financial planning has become a huge concern for me. Things are way too variable not to reduce debt as much as possible if not completely ASAP and only take on big item debt such as house, car, or college. Then again, I have yet to carry a credit card balance in my life but put most of my purchases on the plastic.
 

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Interesting, Riv. My wife and I are closing on a place next month, also on a 5-7 year plan. I figured the time was good- prices have dropped 15% in Boston this year, credit is still loose, and rates are still low. May not have this situation again for a while. I considered a 7/1 ARM, but the difference in rates (about 10 bips) just wasn't anywhere near sufficient for the risk.

I do think the hit will be hard, but it will be quick, maybe 2-3 years of ugliness at most. Of course, there are a raft of things that could prolong the pain, but I hope not. 7 years isn't enough time to build any meaningful equity unless you put down a massive down payment (which has its own financial planning problems), so you're banking on appreciation. Unless interest rates go well into the double digits and stay there for an extended period, appreciation can still be your friend.
 

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We got an offer accepted without counter offer at 10% less than asking price. Definitely a fantastic time to buy. My agent says buyers are starting to come out of the wood work and thinks prices have pretty much bottomed out in the area we are looking. I suspect the Boston area may have a ways to go still. Having lived in Salem/Beverly for a while, I couldn't believe what those crappy 200 year old houses were selling for and people were actually paying.

We considered the 7 ARM as well but like you, we found the very small savings was not worth the risk of not being able to be flexible after 7 years. We actually opted to go with an 80/20 mortgage so we can move into the place and have cash on hand to buy some nice things. Poor long term plan but I want to do the place right from the moment we move in. In any case, it was only a 0.10 point difference between an 80/20 7 ARM on the 80 versus 30 year fixed on the 80. We should be able to pay the 20 off in five years, less if things go well, so I think it was a decent roll.

You are more optimistic than I in a 2-3 year prediction. But I do hope you are right ;) Wish I took some financing courses in college but I am learning pretty quickly. Sure is some fascinating stuff with so many possibilities... and so many potential bad decisions.
 

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Don't leave home without it.
 

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Last time I bought "high" I ended up with 3 boxes of Twinkies
 

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I got two bags of Cheetos and a box of Wheat Thins. Diversification, man. You've got to have diversification.

Pringles... It's gotta be Pringles...

Too High For The Supermarket
The Univited

Got the craving for some lunch,
but I ain't got nothing to munch
My mind is set on just one wish
a big ol' sandwich - tuna fish
Time to make a grocery run,
I'll walk there in the morning sun
Make a list of what I need most:
Tuna fish and bread (for toast)
And though my stomach may be empty,
I'll feed my head from the horn of plenty
Roll a joint Bob Marley style
and smoke it 'till it makes me smile

Starting off in aisle one,
fruits and veggies by the ton
Hey check it out, raddiccio!
These red leaves, man, they almost glow!
And bok choy! I've always wanted to try it,
I wonder if I have enough to buy it?

It's grown in Japan, or maybe China,
or maybe some farm in South Carolina?
Just then I hear a voice in my head:
"stay focused, man, tuna & bread,"
But right now I'm in produce bliss
Oh man, I'm too high for this

Too high for the supermarket,
too high for the grocery store
Too high for the supermarket,
ain't gonna shop like this no more

(Everyone in here is staring at me...)

Sixteen different brands of tuna,
Chicken of the Sea or Big Kahuna
Packed in oil, packed in water,
dolphin friendly, dolphin slaughtered
And oh God, what about the bread?
Should I get white or wheat instead?
Or... rye! Rye's the best I've tasted
Rye is best when ever you're wasted!


Too high for the supermarket,
too high for the grocery store
too high for the supermarket
ain't gonna shop like this no more

Finally done, its check-out time,
searching for the shortest line
The Express Lane! But they don't take checks..
and you've got to have ten items or less,

so let's see...
Ding Dongs, a bag of chips,
Cap'n Crunch and some onion dip,
(it's sugar and salt, space and schism,
the yin and yang of munchie Taoism)
I got my favorite beer, Carlinger,
and pre-sweetened Kool-Aid you eat with your finger

(You lick your finger, then you stick it in the bag, then your stick it down your throat but not too far or you gag)

That's less than ten! Check me out, go ahead!
Oh, I forgot the tuna and the bread...

Too high for the supermarket,
too high for the grocery store
too high for the supermarket,
ain't gonna shop like this no more

too high (too high!)
too high (too high!)
way too high for the supermarket, yeah
 

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On topic, I'm no financial expert. But I did take away one thing from college economics: there are always going to be cycles. Highs and lows. Can't stay high all the time, can't stay low either. The last trend was about 17 years from peak to peak (1988/1989 to 2005ish, at least in real estate). We're heading into the low now, but know that there will be a high again. You just need to wait out the storm.
 
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