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VAIL SUCKS

abc

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Vail in previous years also relied heavily on Internationals to staff their resorts, but with there being a ban on H1/H2b workers through the end of the year, they were unable to hire any of these people
The "international staff" is a systematic ABUSE of the immigration policy! One I was hoping our previous president (which I didn't vote for) would tackle as part of fulfilling his "America for Americans" slogan. But sadly, nothing was done on the policy front. Instead, it took a pandemic to expose the hypocrisy of how big corporation are selling out even our domestic labor opportunities!

But I digress. Back to the depressing picture of travel restrictions...
 

kingslug

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IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult to impossible. The hazardous conditions will impact the Thursday morning commute

I like these travel problems..when I'm staying right down the road from the resort.
 

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Colorado is getting snow this weekend. Tried getting into Eagle yesterday , no luck after an approach, hold for 30 mins then a second. Diverted to DEN. Only issue is it was snowing good in Denver too. So if that causes powder fever like it does when it snows in the cities in the East, good luck with the reservations.
It definitely will cause any conditions fever! With more terrain opening up - more people will flood 70 and the reservations. Midweek should still be good though! Based on what I have seem crowds are already crazy at Breck, Keystone and other resort on weekends. Those two are snowmaking machines!

Wolf Creek depends on natural and are nearly 100% open and Monarch is the same at 485 acres. The vial resorts in Colorado are snowmaking machines and are cranking out acres by the day. There are already over 8000 acres open across the ski areas and that does not include them all. I do not think reservations for midweek will have an impact but weekends from now trough March probably will. Then again none of my friends in Colorado have been denied yet.
 

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Was at crotched today. This week would probably be a good time to turn the guns back on and resurface/expand terrain before the holiday shitshow right? What was open was blown pretty thick though
 

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The water was looking a little scarce ( Crotched) when I was there yesterday, but the guns are back on, West side. Might be ready for the weekend with a bit a help from natural.
 

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More Vail sucks info: Lift 11 was down for a while at Mount Snow yesterday, causing big lines for Lift 17. When will Vail realize that the unreliability of this lift will lead to massive crowding at the base, which in other times, is already a pretty big problem. Now even more so.

I mean the Grand Summit is over 30 years old, has had several re-fits and upgrades, and was never reliable. Lots of hodge-podged equipment on that thing. Last re-build was 2011 so it's staying for a while.

If Mount Snow put in a HSQ on Sunbrook, a HSQ on the North Face, and replaced Canyon with a 6 pack I think the Bluebird would have enough capacity for the front side crowds. Mount Snow has more than enough terrain and lift capacity it's all just wayyyy to centered on the front side. Spread people out.
 

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Plenty of people need jobs, but with the extra unemploymet people were getting, there wasn't much incentive to go out and get a minimum wage paying job when you can just sit at home and collect unemployment. and in many cases make the same or more than if you were working. This was a huge problem accross the board in all industries. That at least for now is coming to an end.

Vail in previous years also relied heavily on Internationals to staff their resorts, but with there being a ban on H1/H2b workers through the end of the year, they were unable to hire any of these people

The large unemployment checks came to an end in August.
 

icecoast1

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The large unemployment checks came to an end in August.
The extra 600 did, but then states were given access to more $ after that and people were still getting an extra $300 until those funds ran out, and it looks like the latest Covid-relief bill being talked about has those extra benefits in it as well
 

dblskifanatic

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The extra 600 did, but then states were given access to more $ after that and people were still getting an extra $300 until those funds ran out, and it looks like the latest Covid-relief bill being talked about has those extra benefits in it as well

My wife was unemployed until a few weeks ago but her overall benefits ended at the 26 week mark about a week before she started working again. We were lucky for her to find employment in the recruiting space during these times but that is a signal to me that businesses who use recruiting staff are eager to get back to business.

I feel bad for those who went past the 26 week mark and congress does not give a shit by playing politics with peoples lives. I know a lot of business owners that lost everything and people that are still not working and are afraid.

On another note, some of those who are afraid were also some that gambled and did not take a job because it was going to be a lower wage than they eared before. One example, my wife was made offers that were 50% of what she used to make even after she told them what the salary expectations were. Once you agree to lower salary then you need to rebuild back to where you were or hold out for the right opportunity. But some that I knew wanted to take the free ride for a while thinking that things would be better by now.

As far as ski resorts go, not sure that would be enough local or domestic resource to fill all positions that are willing to live in small quarters at minimum wages.
 

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As far as ski resorts go, not sure that would be enough local or domestic resource to fill all positions that are willing to live in small quarters at minimum wages.
If they're local, they won't be "living in small quarters" any more than wherever they've been living at.
 

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11:30am and Wildcat’s snow report has no text on the page. Just snowfall numbers and temps.
 

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I know of many employees at A Basin for example that share apartments that moved to summit county to work in the resort industry and the cost of housing is high. Vail does provide housing options unlike A Basin. Many of the people that come to work for ski areas from outside of the US flip flop on the seasons (southern hemisphere during out summer and vise versa) and they fill a void. Just like many illegals do.
 

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The extra 600 did, but then states were given access to more $ after that and people were still getting an extra $300 until those funds ran out, and it looks like the latest Covid-relief bill being talked about has those extra benefits in it as well

The extra $300 lasted for 3 weeks.
 

dblskifanatic

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The fixation some have on the “free ride” that others are getting never fails to amaze me.

I know I used that term but there are many that could not help it and were in a situation of survival. A restaurant General Manager was in a position to bring back staff and some did not return because there was more incentive to not work. I get it! Two of my boys either loss their job or got furloughed - the one that lost his job was in no hurry to get a job the one that got furloughed had to return back to get less. He ultimately quit school and work to get a better paying job. Life plans for both are kind of on hold.

Those who are still trying to find work and have been unemployed for more than 6 months are panicking - maybe not all but many are.
 

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The fixation some have on the “free ride” that others are getting never fails to amaze me.
Oh it's not a free ride. We'll all be paying for it in one way or another for a very long time, including those recieving the benefits
 

deadheadskier

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Oh it's not a free ride. We'll all be paying for it in one way or another for a very long time, including those recieving the benefits
Be specific

How will you be paying for it?

I have a line item on my checks for SS and Medicare taxes. Nothing else but fed and local (which I don't have the latter in nH) on there.

These needed Covid relief packages are subsidies. There are many subsidies throughout the economy. Never gotten a bill for one of them. You?

Our tax percentages go up and down a few points as administrations change. It's all politics for the most part and none of it all that targeted individually towards specific government money prints.
 
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