VAIL SUCKS

[eatskisleep]

So you’re saying that on the Tuesday after a holiday week with barely enough staff to run lifts, they’re going to check every plate in their pay lots against their smartphone data base, look up plates, and send a bill to anyone not registered in the database? It’s private property. It’s not a real parking ticket. Mount Snow has no recourse beyond small claims court.

Don’t discount the fact that they waste staff checking Vax passports, at least 3 of them at Attitash the other day according to reports, yet not enough staff to run lifts

 

[elks]

Crotched looks to be adding trail count as they are blowing a base on Pluto's Plunge this morning!

 

[cdskier]

They won't be "chase down" it. They would simply sent the ticket to the register owner's address. The dealership.

The dealership is going to pay it, then charge it to you.

So you're saying that Vail has access to lookup license plate registration data in state databases? I somehow don't buy that...

They're not "sending a ticket" anywhere. They're putting it on the car in the lot. If people don't pay, Vail simply keeps track in case that car shows up again. If the same car gets a certain number of tickets (3?), then they tow it allegedly. That's really the most they can do.

 

[ctdubl07]

That's a safe bet. Plus with tomorrow having a minimum of a 2nd groom since things froze up last night, the quantity of golf balls should be minimized and converted into machine groomed loose granular over a solid surface where the resurfacing hasn't happened yet

There is also intent to begin to continue the traditional Nitro buildout this week.
Preseason freestyle plans were to bring back the half-pipe but its possible that build is shelved due to lateness of season now.
I also believe the days or the large Inferno hits are gone

 

[Geoff]

So you're saying that Vail has access to lookup license plate registration data in state databases? I somehow don't buy that...

They're not "sending a ticket" anywhere. They're putting it on the car in the lot. If people don't pay, Vail simply keeps track in case that car shows up again. If the same car gets a certain number of tickets (3?), then they tow it allegedly. That's really the most they can do.

Yep. Besides, it’s moot. I’m row 1 in the free Carinthia lot.

 

[drjeff]

There is also intent to begin to continue the traditional Nitro buildout this week.
Preseason freestyle plans were to bring back the half-pipe but its possible that build is shelved due to lateness of season now.
I also believe the days or the large Inferno hits are gone

Agree. Nitro sure seems like it's about got enough snow on it to push out to make it's build anytime now.

Half pipe? Well maybe if mother nature gets her act in gear ASAP it still might happen

Inferno - not sure if it will get a build out to it's HUGE features. Some of what I have aleso heard is that until they can get South Bowl open for race training that Inferno is a deafult for a race training venue since it doesn't require setting as much b-netting as Ego does for training. I guess we'll find out in the next few weeks if they start hammering Inferno or not....

 

[Mainer]

The simple solution to getting more staff is paying better. Start any employee working outside at $17 an hour. No vaccine mandate if you work outside ( liftees snowmaking.) End of season bonus if you finish out year. Wildcat would have a full snowmaking crew from the Berlin area if they did this. It’s simple. I guarantee the vax checking security guards are one of the best paying position at the atticat. They have no problem filling that job and it sucks. It wouldn’t break the bank to pay more than dunkins.

 

[ss20]

The simple solution to getting more staff is paying better. Start any employee working outside at $17 an hour. End of season bonus if you finish out year.

I think both of these are fair. I should clarify...yes, resort emps should be paid better than current. But I don't think it would be starting at $20...$25...$30/hr as some here say.

 

[Kingslug20]

Getting people to wotk at night..in freezing cold..dark..dangerouse..heavy lifting hauling hoses....that will take 20 an hour minimum..

 

[PAabe]

$20 is what landscaping type jobs are paying now and I would consider lugging freezing wet metal equipment up and down a mountain on the night shift for Vail to be far more of an undesirable job than a mom and pop landscaping job

 

[abc]

$20 is what landscaping type jobs are paying now and I would consider lugging freezing wet metal equipment up and down a mountain on the night shift for Vail to be far more of an undesirable job than a mom and pop landscaping job

When a Mom and Pop landscaping company can't fill a position, they had to let a landscaping project go (or at least delayed). That's money they don't earn. So they're a lot more motivated to get some "body" at whatever cost that's below their customer pay them.

When Vail doesn't get some "body" to do the job, they don't lose money. The passes are already sold.

Now, if they think not running lifts or making snow will impact their next year's pass sale, they might be more motivated. Somehow I have doubt it will have much impact. So yeah, if I were Vail, I'd argue to save the money. Especially when I plan to sell my shares before next season. You get my drift...

 

[2Planker]

Meh. The repair isn’t going to cost me a dime. I have a 7/100k extended warranty. It’s a 6 cylinder that doesn’t have the issues of the 4 cylinder. This Forester loaner is very unrefined compared to mine. No way I’d own a car with a normally aspirated Subaru 4-cylinder. I haven’t driven a turbo to have an opinion.

Last I knew Sunday River pays snow makers $20. A friend did it for a bit 2 seasons ago. Not sure of current rate.

Maybe in his 2nd season..??
Now they offering $15 for rookies w/ no experience.
DD's & McD's in Norway are starting at $16.50 w/ FREE FOOD

 

[Geoff]

The problem is that Vail isn’t charging enough for season passes. If the charged, inflation adjusted, what a season pass used to cost in 1990 before discount passes happened, they could afford full time staff with benefits and could afford to pay market rate for the rest of the help.

Of course, then the perpetual complainers would complain about prices.

My Killington pass in the 1980s used to break even at 21 or 22 days at the weekend/holiday day ticket rate. Easily $2,000 in 2022 dollars. Thousands of people bought them. For me, the season pass was never the dominant cost for skiing. Automobile, my bar tab, and housing were the big three. Last year, my Killington place with no mortgage cost $12k to own even if it sat empty. When I was an every weekender, my car was an enormous expense. I don’t even want to think about what I spent in food & beverage on the Killington Access Road.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

The problem is that Vail isn’t charging enough for season passes. If the charged, inflation adjusted, what a season pass used to cost in 1990 before discount passes happened, they could afford full time staff with benefits and could afford to pay market rate for the rest of the help.

Of course, then the perpetual complainers would complain about prices.

My Killington pass in the 1980s used to break even at 21 or 22 days at the weekend/holiday day ticket rate. Easily $2,000 in 2022 dollars. Thousands of people bought them. For me, the season pass was never the dominant cost for skiing. Automobile, my bar tab, and housing were the big three. Last year, my Killington place with no mortgage cost $12k to own even if it sat empty. When I was an every weekender, my car was an enormous expense. I don’t even want to think about what I spent in food & beverage on the Killington Access Road.

the low pass price is also the cause of the crowding. if they sold half as many passes for twice as much money the customer experience would be a whole lot better. its a race to the bottom for them.

 

[nhskier1969]

 

[abc]

the low pass price is also the cause of the crowding. if they sold half as many passes for twice as much money the customer experience would be a whole lot better. its a race to the bottom for them.

Vail calculates if they half the pass price, they'll sell MORE THAN double the number of passes.

They're probably right. So they got more money.

The only way to counter that is not to buy Vail passes. How many of the bitching public will NOT buy another Epic pass next year? Raise your hand.

 

[thebigo]

The problem is that Vail isn’t charging enough for season passes. If the charged, inflation adjusted, what a season pass used to cost in 1990 before discount passes happened, they could afford full time staff with benefits and could afford to pay market rate for the rest of the help.

Of course, then the perpetual complainers would complain about prices.

My Killington pass in the 1980s used to break even at 21 or 22 days at the weekend/holiday day ticket rate. Easily $2,000 in 2022 dollars. Thousands of people bought them. For me, the season pass was never the dominant cost for skiing. Automobile, my bar tab, and housing were the big three. Last year, my Killington place with no mortgage cost $12k to own even if it sat empty. When I was an every weekender, my car was an enormous expense. I don’t even want to think about what I spent in food & beverage on the Killington Access Road.

The pass price is equivalent to a cover charge at an expensive bar. Unlimited NH should be $999 with roughly 15 blackouts at all areas out of state, unlimited everywhere should be $1500.

 

[deadheadskier]

Vail calculates if they half the pass price, they'll sell MORE THAN double the number of passes.

They're probably right. So they got more money.

The only way to counter that is not to buy Vail passes. How many of the bitching public will NOT buy another Epic pass next year? Raise your hand.

I didn't buy one this year based on last year's performance. I know five skiing families I'm close with that had 18 passes across that group who did the same. These are people who spend quite a bit on resort F&B too. Not just in it for the pass.

I venture that several members of this forum who gave them another chance due to Covid last year thinking it would be better are regretting that decision. It's beyond obvious that Ikon are performing better in New England.

 

[eatskisleep]

Vail calculates if they half the pass price, they'll sell MORE THAN double the number of passes.

They're probably right. So they got more money.

The only way to counter that is not to buy Vail passes. How many of the bitching public will NOT buy another Epic pass next year? Raise your hand.

I won’t. I also won’t set foot on one of their mountains this year unless I am skinning up for free. Who else is in?

 

[Kingslug20]

Im going to see how it goes..since i have a pass already...but...since i can hit stowe or SB in the same amount of drive time...i could go ikon only next year...