VAIL SUCKS

[Smellytele]

I believe yellow is just a power line. The old double lift line has about a 25/30 foot cliffs across the middle, which I suppose if there was enough snow you could drop. Haven't seen tracks down it before. Triple lift line likely poached today

My son actually dropped off the cliff before. Crazy as it had a flat landing.

 

[deadheadskier]

My son actually dropped off the cliff before. Crazy as it had a flat landing.

Under the double? Big balls on that boy. Other than that launch I recall the lift line being mostly doable. Where were you during this? You find a work around to the sides through the trees?

 

[Smellytele]

Under the double? Big balls on that boy. Other than that launch I recall the lift line being mostly doable. Where were you during this? You find a work around to the sides through the trees?

Actually looking at the map closer, I don’t think it was that cliff. It was the cliff that runs along the uphill side of lower Saco. Was about a 20’ drop or so I believe.

 

[Katahdin]

Did those lifts ever open?!?

No, neither lift ran again today. On the Yankee all the chairs are back on the rope, but the chair spacing is messed up. They never even tried to spin the lift today. Abanaki lift is open, but having some sort of overheating issue. Lots of repeated extended stops. Even the learning center triple went down for awhile today. Do they even have a lift mechanic there? Who should have ever thought the summit triple would be the workhorse that ran all weekend without a hiccup. 120 more Vail hate comments on the Attitash Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153377836759979&id=11734549978

 

[pinion]

Wow. I’m kinda surprised they haven’t removed the post.

There is an “Epic Pass Northeast” FB group that is an absolute dumpster fire as well.

 

[nycskier]

This is brilliant!

 

[MogulMonsters]

No, neither lift ran again today. On the Yankee all the chairs are back on the rope, but the chair spacing is messed up. They never even tried to spin the lift today. Abanaki lift is open, but having some sort of overheating issue. Lots of repeated extended stops. Even the learning center triple went down for awhile today. Do they even have a lift mechanic there? Who should have ever thought the summit triple would be the workhorse that ran all weekend without a hiccup. 120 more Vail hate comments on the Attitash Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10153377836759979&id=11734549978

Are there any petitions out there to try to get the White Mountain National forest involved?

 

[eatskisleep]

Are there any petitions out there to try to get the White Mountain National forest involved?

AZ should start one if not…

 

[Smellytele]

Are there any petitions out there to try to get the White Mountain National forest involved?

I know there is one for the state to revoke Fail’s lease of Sunapee.

 

[2Planker]

So cold at wildcat today, huge line. No tomcat no bobcat. My kids had cold feet after a couple runs, like emergency situation (for a 5 yr old) Go to lodge for first time at wc. Thank god my wife had her phone with her, but a screaming 5 yr old With cold feet sucks to listen too while you u scroll through your pictures looking for your vax card so u can sit down and take off her boots. Also sucks to walk back to c lot to get your phone so u can sit with your family to warm up. The 3 groomed trails were pure yellow ice. Ungroomed was nice. Fuck vail, they have completely ruined atticat. For atticat: bobcat, tomcat, kachina, flying bear, flying yankee, double double were closed for a February weekend. Summit triple, Abenaki (maybe), wildcat express and snow cat were open. So much worse than last year if that is possible. I fucking hate vail with a passion. Look at the attitash Facebook page for a good laugh

I hear ya. Neighbors 2 kids dropped out of the race program (after 4 kids over 12 years) last week.

On the flip side BW was spectacular on Sunday !!!
Minimal crowds....

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Are there any petitions out there to try to get the White Mountain National forest involved?

Unless Vail completely closes the place, the Forest Service doesn't care. They said as much re: Stevens Pass. Operators have broad authority to operate how they choose.

 

[RISkier]

Ran across this article about the good times at Vail's NH resorts this past weekend: https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022...s-weekend-for-new-hampshires-vail-properties/

 

[thetrailboss]

Unless Vail completely closes the place, the Forest Service doesn't care. They said as much re: Stevens Pass. Operators have broad authority to operate how they choose.

Well.....the USFS DOES care to some extent because they get a set amount of $$$ per skier day for the leases.

 

[elks]

Ran across this article about the good times at Vail's NH resorts this past weekend: https://unofficialnetworks.com/2022...s-weekend-for-new-hampshires-vail-properties/

The Crotched account about "Large lift lines" isn't accurate. I was there both days from 9-4 am and lines were surprisingly manageable despite the rocket being down and the GS race on Sunday. Do hope they get the Rocket back up and running quickly though.

 

[Smellytele]

The Crotched account about "Large lift lines" isn't accurate. I was there both days from 9-4 am and lines were surprisingly manageable despite the rocket being down and the GS race on Sunday. Do hope they get the Rocket back up and running quickly though.

The dr Jeff of Crotched

 

[crystalmountainskier]

Well.....the USFS DOES care to some extent because they get a set amount of $$$ per skier day for the leases.

All ski area combined pay less than two tenths of one percent of the Forest Service's annual budget.

Some critics of Vail Resorts have questioned whether the federal government could revoke the company’s permission to operate the Stevens Pass ski area on public lands.

The company has a “special use permit” from the U.S. Forest Service to occupy its site in the Mount Baker-Snoqualmie and Okanogan-Wenatchee national forests.

It’s in compliance with all of the permit’s conditions, said Colton Whitworth, a Forest Service public affairs officer.

“The permit includes terms and conditions for operation and references Stevens Pass Ski Resort’s Operating Plan,” Whitworth said in an email. “The operating plan identifies standard operating procedures for opening ski terrain, managing lifts, and general operations. It does not mandate the opening of ski terrain or ski lifts when there is insufficient staff to do so.”

With slopes limited, do Stevens Pass skiers have recourse? | HeraldNet.com

Lift ticket fine print bars a class action lawsuit, saying passes are non-refundable. But those might not be the last words.

www.heraldnet.com

 

[pinion]

Whether or not it's been firmly established that Vail does indeed suck, seems like the amount of coverage their operational issues + another year of increased crowding at their resorts will lead to some level of defection from Epic in 2022/2023. Which begs the question: will these people just jump ship to Ikon? Or leave the sport? Ski independent mountains? Some combination?

Best case for Vail but worst case for the industry is that the "just be happy you can ski at all" crowd - getting more vocal on social media by the day - sticks with Epic, procreate, teach their spawn that "this is the way skiing is", and through generations spend even more money in the base lodge and various perks and upgrades. This will introduce the world to a new super gaper more dangerous than previous generations of gapers. It's like really bad science fiction for the ski crowd.

 

[snoseek]

Sorry of I missed it but what's going on with the bear peak quad to be down for the past several days?

 

[deadheadskier]

Whether or not it's been firmly established that Vail does indeed suck, seems like the amount of coverage their operational issues + another year of increased crowding at their resorts will lead to some level of defection from Epic in 2022/2023. Which begs the question: will these people just jump ship to Ikon? Or leave the sport? Ski independent mountains? Some combination?

For me I look for 4 things in a pass

1. A convenient quick hitter that also offers night skiing. On Epic that was Crotched. Replaced it with Gunstock.

2. 1 or more destination areas with ample natural snow and tree skiing. On Epic that was Stowe and Wildcat. Replaced with Indy and Saddleback, Jay, Cannon, Bolton and Magic.

3. Decent variety of Mountains that have good snowmaking and cruisers. On Epic that was Okemo, Sunapee and Attitash. On Indy that's Waterville, Pats and Cannon.

4. Price. I paid quite a bit more for Gunstock + Indy, but not so much that I had any pause in my decision.

Ikon lacks #1 from my location, so that's out for me. I'd consider replacing Indy with Ikon if I had western skiing plans.

Really the only negative to my choice is none of the mountains on my passes really get going until early December. But once they did, they've pretty much blown the Epic Pass mountains I would have been skiing out of the water. No regrets at all. I certainly miss Wildcat and Stowe, but not how they're being run.

 

[pinion]

Sorry of I missed it but what's going on with the bear peak quad to be down for the past several days?

Last update from Attitash was that it was a power issue.