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Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

JimG.

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Any tax break is essentially the same thing. The govt pays you to buy a house. Donate to charity. Have kids! What else?

Generally it's justified by saying these activities are good for society.
I won't disagree.

It's still pitiful. If you can't browbeat or bully you try bribing.

I wonder if people hold out for additional cash?
 

drjeff

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Any tax break is essentially the same thing. The govt pays you to buy a house. Donate to charity. Have kids! What else?

Generally it's justified by saying these activities are good for society.
Technically a tax break isn't the gov't actually paying anyone anything, a tax break is actually the government letting you keep more, of what already yours, not theirs, in the first place
 

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And technically giving you a savings bond is like giving you an iou. But it's still ultimately a "bribe" as described by Jim right? AKA a financial incentive. We've now spent at $4T on covid if you only count what was written down in the check book. It's probably double that if you count lost tax revenue lost etc. If we don't get to herd immunity it's all wasted.

I don't know if Jim is frustrated with the people who need to be bribed or the Rs who bribed them (sorry Scotty), but I want it over. IF (big if) this gets it done, sigh, do it.
 

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And technically giving you a savings bond is like giving you an iou. But it's still ultimately a "bribe" as described by Jim right? AKA a financial incentive. We've now spent at $4T on covid if you only count what was written down in the check book. It's probably double that if you count lost tax revenue lost etc. If we don't get to herd immunity it's all wasted.

I don't know if Jim is frustrated with the people who need to be bribed or the Rs who bribed them (sorry Scotty), but I want it over. IF (big if) this gets it done, sigh, do it.

Agree.

We're at the point now, or quite close to it, where the reality is that there will be a distinct difference in the Public Health Utopian view of society having 100% utilization of the vaccine, regardless of if there is 100% access to it.

And the reality is that unless we suddenly become some sort of military dictatorship society where the people don't have a say in what their leaders tell them they have to do, that there will never be 100% utilization of the vaccines, however those in leadership positions will spend an awful lot of $$ and time trying to "convince" those who for whatever relevant or conspiracy theory based unfounded reasons don't want to get the vaccine.

If those who want to get vaccinated do, and many have now, and are continuing to, then regardless of what various public health officials think/want they reality that they need to accept that some will choose to accept their own personal risk if they don't get vaccinated, and they (the individual, are fine with that)
 

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Agree.

We're at the point now, or quite close to it, where the reality is that there will be a distinct difference in the Public Health Utopian view of society having 100% utilization of the vaccine, regardless of if there is 100% access to it.

And the reality is that unless we suddenly become some sort of military dictatorship society where the people don't have a say in what their leaders tell them they have to do, that there will never be 100% utilization of the vaccines, however those in leadership positions will spend an awful lot of $$ and time trying to "convince" those who for whatever relevant or conspiracy theory based unfounded reasons don't want to get the vaccine.

If those who want to get vaccinated do, and many have now, and are continuing to, then regardless of what various public health officials think/want they reality that they need to accept that some will choose to accept their own personal risk if they don't get vaccinated, and they (the individual, are fine with that)
I distinctly remember the same argument while seat belt law was imposed.
 

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Scotty maybe we need some fun end of season threads...

Ignore him...90% of his posts are either a sob story of how AZ isn't what it used to be, crying about lack of moderation, or fruitlessly trying to get people back on topic. He also takes the time to go back and dislike most of ABC's posts which is pretty crappy imo.
 

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I got a new-to-me used car in the fall. Apparently the previous owner either took it to the dealer and/or plugged in a computer to disable the chimes themselves! I love it! It'll chime for 30 seconds then no more, just the light.
My pretty new & unaltered car of only 5 years is set up that way from the factory.

(1 minute instead of 30 seconds)
 
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