Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[JimG.]

I think that's not the best practice.

Weekly, or even daily test, I can see the point. Mandatory vaccination, when we're seeing it doesn't stop them as transmitters against the new variant? That doesn't make too much sense.

It's also pretty senseless to tell health care workers to look for another job in the midst of a global health crisis.

Anybody been to Vermont lately?

 

[2Planker]

Some colleges are saying basically no exemptions as well (except for maybe a VERY tiny number of people who have a legitimate medial reason), but all the BS "religious exemptions" are not allowed.

Nothing is 100%... it is true that as far as we know vaccinated people can still contract and spread covid. That does not mean there is still not a layer of protection and that vaccinated people are still less likely to spread it, especially to other vaccinated people.

Correct Our Downtown Boston Medical Center is owned by the University, and the President is an MD - No Exceptions

Wife's college (Catholic school) has had about 10% drop out since Vacc's are now required

 

[abc]

It's also pretty senseless to tell health care workers to look for another job in the midst of a global health crisis.

That's the reason I don't think the mandatory vaccination is going to go too well.

Right now, about 30% of health care workers are not yet vaccinated. If, after the mandate, all of them don't come to work? Most hospitals will not be able to function properly!

Same goes to many other companies.

I just don't think it'll work. Headline grabbing, yes. There's already a labor shortage in all fields. fired all the unvaccinated, see what's to come?

 

[abc]

Personally, I'm not too bothered by others refusing to vaccinate. I'm not going to hug anyone, or stand face to face in conversation, until I know you're vaccinated. But other than that, I'm willing to take the chance of spending the day in the same room, especially if they've been tested the last day or two. I do have confidence my vaccinated immune system can protect me from getting seriously sick.

Sure, I don't prefer the share a room with the unvaccinated. But there's a line on the sand that I'm unwilling to cross. A vaccine that's only a year old, only approved for emergency use, isn't one I would wish to force on others. I'm getting vaccinated myself, based on my own calculation. But I respect others having a different personal calculation.

That said, if my company is mandating it, I'm not going to say they're wrong. Just that I don't think it'll work too well. I much prefer they just test the hell out of those unvaccinated (and take the cost of the tests out of their pay check, I have no problem with that).

 

[Not Sure]

That's the reason I don't think the mandatory vaccination is going to go too well.

Right now, about 30% of health care workers are not yet vaccinated. If, after the mandate, all of them don't come to work? Most hospitals will not be able to function properly!

Same goes to many other companies.

I just don't think it'll work. Headline grabbing, yes. There's already a labor shortage in all fields. fired all the unvaccinated, see what's to come?

I know someone who has been in their position for over 40 years. She’s in a niche job at a major hospital and has no patient contact. Her family has a genetic predisposition to clotting. She said she’s done if the vaccine becomes mandatory.

I hope sure hope you’re correct.

 

[raisingarizona]

Confiscate? Are you one of those "all taxes are theft" libertarians?

Well, it often is……

And…..wtf is a portfolio?

 

[Smellytele]

Personally, I'm not too bothered by others refusing to vaccinate. I'm not going to hug anyone, or stand face to face in conversation, until I know you're vaccinated. But other than that, I'm willing to take the chance of spending the day in the same room, especially if they've been tested the last day or two. I do have confidence my vaccinated immune system can protect me from getting seriously sick.

Sure, I don't prefer the share a room with the unvaccinated. But there's a line on the sand that I'm unwilling to cross. A vaccine that's only a year old, only approved for emergency use, isn't one I would wish to force on others. I'm getting vaccinated myself, based on my own calculation. But I respect others having a different personal calculation.

That said, if my company is mandating it, I'm not going to say they're wrong. Just that I don't think it'll work too well. I much prefer they just test the hell out of those unvaccinated (and take the cost of the tests out of their pay check, I have no problem with that).

Well my issue really isn't with myself getting sick per say from an unvaccinated heathen. It is more about the virus mutating as it spreads more easily through the unvaccinated and we will be stuck in these shitty circumstances where we have to wear masks, can't go out to eat or to any venue that is at full capacity. Also I hate hearing regurgitated warnings and the same shit everyday and learning nothing new about it.

 

[Whitey]

Personally, I'm not too bothered by others refusing to vaccinate. I'm not going to hug anyone, or stand face to face in conversation, until I know you're vaccinated. But other than that, I'm willing to take the chance of spending the day in the same room, especially if they've been tested the last day or two. I do have confidence my vaccinated immune system can protect me from getting seriously sick.

Sure, I don't prefer the share a room with the unvaccinated. But there's a line on the sand that I'm unwilling to cross. A vaccine that's only a year old, only approved for emergency use, isn't one I would wish to force on others. I'm getting vaccinated myself, based on my own calculation. But I respect others having a different personal calculation.

That said, if my company is mandating it, I'm not going to say they're wrong. Just that I don't think it'll work too well. I much prefer they just test the hell out of those unvaccinated (and take the cost of the tests out of their pay check, I have no problem with that).

This is the correct take. I am in the same boat. I got it but I am not judging others who chose not to. I am less concerned about being around unvaccinated people than you are but I am the same as you - I'm not getting that close to you (hugging, sharing food, etc) if I don't know if you've been vaxed or had CV19.

A lot of you who are dismissing and deriding those who chose not to vaccinate ought to remember that our form of gov't should only be "forcing" the population to do anything only in the most extreme circumstances. You can debate whether our current situation is "extreme" enough to justify that. I think not but understand that others will feel differently.

 

[drjeff]

Honestly at this point, if one really wants to see progress in getting through this current situation, step #1, Dr Fauci needs to resign. While he has had a long and storied career, the simple fact is that his statements about things COVID and how to handle it as a society have at times been quite conflicting, and sometimes even within the same week. Whenever he comes out with a new update on current "best plans" for handling things, within literally moments some media pundit can easily find a statement he made that goes counter to what he may have just said,

It's time to get a few person in there, so that the messaging can have a clear course, because all of this varaibility, even if in many cases it is warranted due to the evolution of COVID, just ins't helping

 

[deadheadskier]

I don't think it matters who is over the CDC at this point. You will have the President, members of Congress and Governors that will hear only what they want to believe even though they often have zero background in medicine. They'll want their constituents to take their filtered messaging over the CDC. Some have stuck close to the CDC messaging, others have fought them every step of the way.

And it goes beyond government too. Plenty of the country trusts their churches or other local leadership voices over State and local government and will do what they say instead.

Whoever gets put in charge of the CDC will have half the country supporting them and half not.

 

[boston_e]

In fairness to Fauci, Trump and other republicans definitely turned political on him which created distrust among the Trump base.

While Fauci's messaging has not been perfect and there has been some mixed messaging, some on the right have also often turned what was the best recommendation we had at the time into "Fauci was lying" when we learned more and changed recommendations.

 

[dblskifanatic]

fucking a. we eradicated smallpox and polio with a sense of national/international urgency and solidarity. we require vaccinations to go to public school. why should this be any different?

you don't want to be vaccinated? fine. you forego social security, unemployment benefits, medicare/medicaid, and education on the public side. you forfeit the privilege to work for certain companies, the privilege to enter certain private businesses, the privilege to travel on an airplane, etc. on the private side.

fuck your fucking freedoms.

employers, entertainment venues, restaurant groups etc are already taking the lead here. more will follow. pretty sure all of FAANG except for Amazon has a vax requirement now. union square hospitality group (danny meyer's restaurants - an industry leader) announced the same for employees and customers yesterday.

then they should forego paying into social security and medicare/medicaid

 

[boston_e]

This is the correct take. I am in the same boat. I got it but I am not judging others who chose not to. I am less concerned about being around unvaccinated people than you are but I am the same as you - I'm not getting that close to you (hugging, sharing food, etc) if I don't know if you've been vaxed or had CV19.

A lot of you who are dismissing and deriding those who chose not to vaccinate ought to remember that our form of gov't should only be "forcing" the population to do anything only in the most extreme circumstances. You can debate whether our current situation is "extreme" enough to justify that. I think not but understand that others will feel differently.

Sure but the reality is there is a VERY tiny percentage of the population with a legitimate reason to not get vaccinated and it is socially irresponsible not to do so.

As soon as it has full FDA approval, I fully expect to see it added to the list of required immunizations for attending school etc.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

no, no they shouldn't. if you want the privileges and benefits of citizenship then you should be required to be a good citizen.

 

[abc]

US just hit the 70% vaccination point!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/A month late. 08/02/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

A month late. And only partially vaccinated. Still, it's significant. (once a person took the first dose, it's pretty much guarantee the second dose will be taken after).

I don't know why "there's no celebration"! Sure, the Delta variance is making the vaccine less "perfect". But people aren't dying left and right, thanks to the vaccine. It's proven to help sparing the hospital from being overwhelmed.

70% is just a number. But it's a point we aimed originally. We reached it. But sadly, "there's no celebration". Seems like these days, getting silver isn't worth celebrating, Only the gold will do. Everything else is a failure. A nation that's in perpetual disappointment and inadequacy?

 

[dblskifanatic]

You quoted and responded to the wrong portion of my post. You simply took the opportunity to whine some more.

This is the part you anti-SS whiners need to answer to effectively.

"Propose something really good if you want to cut it down. Show reform that will produce a better return. That's the sell"

You never do. It's always a lament about how you as financially brilliant individuals can manage money better than the government. Well no shit, many of us can and do. Many cannot though.

Its $8853.60 a year max. That's the good thing about the tax vs others. There's a cap.

On a scale of 1 to 10 regarding everything I get taxed on in life that prevents me from investing that potential additional take home income how I normally would? What I pay in SS tax rates a 1 on the scale.

Take 8400 and put that away for 30 years in a 2% annuity and you can do way better than that with the markets

In 30 years, you will have $4,104,477.82​

If people use their 401k accounts properly they can do that as well. SS is not for those that can invest properly or save adequately it is really for the poor that did not have good employment or those that lacked discipline and spent all their money all of their lives. The minimum is not enough to live on though.

 

[drjeff]

US just hit the 70% vaccination point!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/A month late. 08/02/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

A month late. And only partially vaccinated. Still, it's significant. (once a person took the first dose, it's pretty much guarantee the second dose will be taken after).

I don't know why "there's no celebration"! Sure, the Delta variance is making the vaccine less "perfect". But people aren't dying left and right, thanks to the vaccine. It's proven to help sparing the hospital from being overwhelmed.

70% is just a number. But it's a point we aimed originally. We reached it. But sadly, "there's no celebration". Seems like these days, getting silver isn't worth celebrating, Only the gold will do. Everything else is a failure. A nation that's in perpetual disappointment and inadequacy?

Just doing some loose math, if there are about 50 million people under the age of 12 in this country currently, that puts the potential number of people vaccinated cuurently at around 280 million, so the 70% number currently represents just under 200 million people in the country who have had atleast 1 dose now, with aaround 140 million or so people either still ineligible based on age or not choosing to (for various reasons) now.

I will be curious to see how much (or how little potentially) the numbers increase when the seemingly likely approval of emergency authroization for the use in those under the age of 12, happens

 

[skiur]

US just hit the 70% vaccination point!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/A month late. 08/02/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine

A month late. And only partially vaccinated. Still, it's significant. (once a person took the first dose, it's pretty much guarantee the second dose will be taken after).

I don't know why "there's no celebration"! Sure, the Delta variance is making the vaccine less "perfect". But people aren't dying left and right, thanks to the vaccine. It's proven to help sparing the hospital from being overwhelmed.

70% is just a number. But it's a point we aimed originally. We reached it. But sadly, "there's no celebration". Seems like these days, getting silver isn't worth celebrating, Only the gold will do. Everything else is a failure. A nation that's in perpetual disappointment and inadequacy?

Getting one dose in no way guarantees a second dose. I know numerous people who have only had one dose and have no plans of getting a second. I don't really understand their reasoning, but it certainly happens more than you think.

 

[jimmywilson69]

yeah the single dose people doesn't make any sense to me...

 

[PAabe]

1 dose will keep you from dying if you otherwise may have

But I agree there is not a whole lot of reason to not the 2nd other than laziness. Although I would have argued early on it would have made more sense to give as many people as possible 1 shot before going in for 2

There are some people that had difficulty getting to the vax center or filling out the forms that might not return for the 2nd if they were not helped along again - I know some people who are recently immigrated were worried about filling out the paperwork by themselves