Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[icecoast1]

It’s not that they don’t want you, the landlord (state) just wants you to take off your shoes (quarantine) before you enter the house. But then the tenant ( business owners) just lets you in anyway with your shoes on and tells you just to wipe your feet(wear a mask)

No, they actually dont want you. Just ask the locals. The unenforceable quarantine rules were simply an attempt to scare people off

 

[hub8]

Well I was commenting on your response to that, not his as your post was about you. Secondly he doesnt even need a second shot given he had COVID19, but it's 100% not his fault for not knowing that & I wouldnt expect him or anyone else to know that, but it is the fault of our government who's been ******* this up royally.

Frankly, several months back when CDC learned how robust & durable the protective response to the first shot (CDC data below) is they should have changed the entire national dosing regimen to let ANYONE who wants to get the shot get it, and delayed the 2nd shot to something like 10 or 12 weeks after the first dose rather than 3 weeks to stretch our supply as far as possible rather than have many millions of people like me wait several extra months unprotected while wanting to be vaccinated. People no doubt died because of this. I give it 3 to 6 months before people figure this out and it's on 60 Minutes or something.

I think that's what the Canadians are doing. Stretching out dose 2 to months apart in an effort to get dose 1 to more people.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I think that's what the Canadians are doing. Stretching out dose 2 to months apart in an effort to get dose 1 to more people.

Is that right? Smart. No idea why we're not doing that. It's really shocking to me, and not much shocks me.

As I said, its been known that 1 mRNA dose is highly efficacious for several months now, but you never hear Fauci, CDC, Biden, etc... say that. It's almost as if they're afraid people wont get the 2nd dose if they know that. Either way it's a terribly tragic decision.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I hear what you're saying BG but the bigger concern is those who don't want to get it all. Several of my wifes coworkers have said this. I just don't understand it. These people have also largely not followed any of the Covid rules throughout either...

 

[Edd]

I hear what you're saying BG but the bigger concern is those who don't want to get it all. Several of my wifes coworkers have said this. I just don't understand it. These people have also largely not followed any of the Covid rules throughout either...

I’d suspect there’s a correlation between refusing the vaccine and levels of Fox News consumed.

 

[VTKilarney]

I’d suspect there’s a correlation between refusing the vaccine and levels of Fox News consumed.

It’s one of the few issues that both extremes of the political aisle agree on. We have several “tree hugger” friends who are anti-vaxxers.

It’s also a function of age. Many young people are less afraid of COVID-19 than the vaccine.

 

[thebigo]

I’d suspect there’s a correlation between refusing the vaccine and levels of Fox News consumed.

I know two anti-vax lunatics. One lives north of Houston and is the definition of a fox news consuming Texan. The other is a fellow granite stater, PhD level education and radical leftist. In my experience people that lack the ability to consider multiple viewpoints tend to make the least informed decisions.

 

[drjeff]

It’s one of the few issues that both extremes of the political aisle agree on. We have several “tree hugger” friends who are anti-vaxxers.

It’s also a function of age. Many young people are less afraid of COVID-19 than the vaccine.

100% agree! My patient pool is quite diverse across the political spectrum for sure. And Anecdotally it sure seems like there are a very similar percentage of folks who I would label as on the political fringes of both the left and right, who aren't getting vaccinated.

The right tend to be along the lines of "the gov't can't tell me what to do...." or anti-vaxxers. And the left tend to be a combo of "I'm not going to take anything Trump was involved with" and anti vaxxers (in my experience, the anti-vaxxers tend to be slightly more right extreme than left extreme, however, at least in my neck of the woods, it's not that great a difference (say roughly a 60/40 split)

Bottom line, with how quickly COVID got politicized last year, by both sides, in a contentious election year, the desired narrative both sides were so often trying to push on their supporters, way too often, for far too many, obscured the scientific reality. And that is a sad commentary about how so many in society today are proverbial lemmings to their preferred media outlet of choice and/or preferred political ideology, as oppose to realizing that when it comes down to it, we're all really, really, really, really alike, regardless of what our sex or skin tone is

 

[jimmywilson69]

Our country is in a sad state based on these last few posts...

I mean I've known that but this sort of sums it up

It's really a shame...

 

[JimG.]

Regardless of the reason for vaccine hesitancy it is important to find ways to communicate with these folks in ways that will encourage them to get vaccinated. Verbally abusing them, calling them names, bashing their politics, etc. is not the correct way to approach that and only brings into focus how intolerant people of all backgrounds have become. Villifying people for vaccine hesitancy will solve nothing and only hardens their position.

People need to become part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

 

[abc]

I’d suspect there’s a correlation between refusing the vaccine and levels of Fox News consumed.

in my experience, the anti-vaxxers tend to be slightly more right extreme than left extreme, however, at least in my neck of the woods, it's not that great a difference (say roughly a 60/40 split)

that is a sad commentary about how so many in society today are proverbial lemmings to their preferred media outlet of choice and/or preferred political ideology

What's ironic is Trump got himself vaccinated quietly before leaving office! And that's despite he already had Covid.

Somehow that's lost on his followers! I don't know what happens to "do as I do, not as I say"...

 

[abc]

It’s also a function of age. Many young people are less afraid of COVID-19 than the vaccine.

I can't blame them.

They're young. So much less affected by Covid, which is a scientific fact.

The vaccine was developed in a (relative) hurry. There's no long term safety data to be had. It's hard to stomach taking something that's developed in the past 6 months to prevent something that's known to not affect the young any worse than flu. (yes, flu kills young people much the same, which is rarely). Now with the known blood clog issue, it's even more hesitant for the young to accept the risk.

Me? I'm old. So I took the vaccine the earliest instant I was qualified. But if I had a youngster in my care and he/she ask me, I don't know what I would say. (probably just tell him the above and he has to decide for himself)

 

[cdskier]

I can't blame them.

They're young. So much less affected by Covid, which is a scientific fact.

The vaccine was developed in a (relative) hurry. There's no long term safety data to be had. It's hard to stomach taking something that's developed in the past 6 months to prevent something that's known to not affect the young any worse than flu. (yes, flu kills young people much the same, which is rarely). Now with the known blood clog issue, it's even more hesitant for the young to accept the risk.

Me? I'm old. So I took the vaccine the earliest instant I was qualified. But if I had a youngster in my care and he/she ask me, I don't know what I would say. (probably just tell him the above and he has to decide for himself)

I'm somewhat intrigued by the young being the group least likely to want it. Doesn't the younger age group tend to skew more liberal? That group being less likely to want it goes against the claims that it is only the "Fox News" watchers that don't want it. I guess I'm not truly in the "young" category anymore, but everyone I know that is between 20 and 40 wants it. The people I know personally that don't want it are actually older (50s and up).

If young people think it is no worse than the flu, then I'd argue they are wrong. My brother and his wife both had COVID and both said they would never wish it on anyone and that it was absolutely worse than the flu. And we still have no idea what the long term health impacts are on people that recover from COVID. I think this latter point is often far too often overlooked by people that say "well most people recover anyway". If people are concerned about the "long term impacts" of a vaccine, why are they not at least equally concerned about the long term impacts of the virus itself?

 

[drjeff]

I can't blame them.

They're young. So much less affected by Covid, which is a scientific fact.

The vaccine was developed in a (relative) hurry. There's no long term safety data to be had. It's hard to stomach taking something that's developed in the past 6 months to prevent something that's known to not affect the young any worse than flu. (yes, flu kills young people much the same, which is rarely). Now with the known blood clog issue, it's even more hesitant for the young to accept the risk.

Me? I'm old. So I took the vaccine the earliest instant I was qualified. But if I had a youngster in my care and he/she ask me, I don't know what I would say. (probably just tell him the above and he has to decide for himself)

As for the J&J vaccine and the rare, blood clot issue related to low platelet counts (thrombocytopenia) in pre menopausal women, for perspective, one should look up the data on both a percentage basis and shear numbers basis of how very similar blood clotting events in pre menopausal women, related to low platelet counts who are taking oral contraceptives happen. Yet that doesn't get the attention that this does. Again, it's the perspective, risk comfort, and how the information is presented to the general public that has such a major effect on the publics perception of most any topic, and certainly COVID related topics.

For many in society it would probably be a good thing if they turned off the news for a month or so, and trusted the science, not the all too often partisan delivery of the news on this

 

[VTKilarney]

Regardless of the reason for vaccine hesitancy it is important to find ways to communicate with these folks in ways that will encourage them to get vaccinated. Verbally abusing them, calling them names, bashing their politics, etc. is not the correct way to approach that and only brings into focus how intolerant people of all backgrounds have become.

You mean that the Sean Hannity - Rachel Maddow school of communication is a bad thing for our society? Who would have thought it?

 

[tumbler]

You mean that the Sean Hannity - Rachel Maddow school of communication is a bad thing for our society? Who would have thought it?

Did they get vaccinated?

 

[Not Sure]

I’d suspect there’s a correlation between refusing the vaccine and levels of Fox News consumed.

Redirect Notice

You have a very short memory?

 

[Edd]

Did they get vaccinated?

I believe so. Their approaches are different, as one would imagine.

Rachel Maddow Makes Impassioned Personal Appeal to People Hesitant About Vaccines: ‘I Felt the Fear and I Did It Anyway’

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow made an impassioned appeal Friday night directly addressing people who are hesitant, for any number of reasons, to get the covid-19 vaccine.

www.mediaite.com

Hannity Tells His Huge Audience It’s Fine Not to Get the Vaccine

The Fox News host said “nobody should be pressured” and “we should remember we believe in freedom of choice.”

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Edd]

Redirect Notice

You have a very short memory?

This quote from your article sums up my feelings nicely.

“Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “At this moment, the American people can’t either.”

 

[VTKilarney]

And don’t forget that Kamala undermined confidence in the vaccine, even though she took it while Trump was President.

Harris says she wouldn't trust Trump on any vaccine released before election

The Democratic vice presidential nominee also expressed concern that Trump has continued to contradict his own health officials.

www.politico.com