Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[VTKilarney]

This quote from your article sums up my feelings nicely.

“Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “At this moment, the American people can’t either.”

You do realize who develops and approves vaccines, don’t you? Hint: it’s not the President

 

[Edd]

You do realize who develops and approves vaccines, don’t you? Hint: it’s not the President

I work at a facility that makes the Moderna vaccine so I think I’ve got a handle on it. I just said I like the quote.

 

[VTKilarney]

It’s hard to take Biden seriously about masks when he engages in theatrics like this.

 

[BenedictGomez]

This quote from your article sums up my feelings nicely.

“Let me be clear: I trust vaccines, I trust scientists, but I don’t trust Donald Trump,” Biden said. “At this moment, the American people can’t either.”

You are literally the person who will trust your politician rather than the science (or conversely, not trust the politician if they're to the right of Noam Chomsky)

 

[VTKilarney]

I work at a facility that makes the Moderna vaccine so I think I’ve got a handle on it. I just said I like the quote.

It‘s odd that you would like a quote that was intended to undermine confidence in a vaccine.

 

[Edd]

You are literally the person who will trust your politician rather than the science.

No I’m literally not.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I hear what you're saying BG but the bigger concern is those who don't want to get it all. Several of my wifes coworkers have said this. I just don't understand it.

If you're young & healthy the odds of succumbing to COVID19 are incredibly small, so I get it in that context. Though I do think it's selfish behaviour as you could (and likely will at some point) become infected & in that age cohort are increasingly likely to be an asymptomatic spreader. Do they know this though? Probably not, which somewhat blows up my "selfish" comment.

But we still do not have long-term clinical follow-up studies of COVID19 effects, but what we do know is not encouraging relating to lung function impairment. That alone would be enough to "nudge" me to get it if I was say..... 25 years old. Again, however, how many people know this? Not many. This is another failure of government. Instead of wasting money on lord only knows what, they should have run 30 second educational PSAs online & via broadcasts frequented by the young (NFL football, dopey social media influencers, SNL, etc.).

 

[BenedictGomez]

It’s hard to take Biden seriously about masks when he engages in theatrics like this.

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Is this picture real?

 

[Edd]

It‘s odd that you would like a quote that was intended to undermine confidence in a vaccine.

Honestly not how I read it. Trump can’t be trusted and scientists/vaccines can, is what I read and quoted. Could Biden’s intentions be fully trusted in the context of a heated election season? I wouldn’t argue that and wasn’t trying to.

 

[VTKilarney]

Is this picture real?

Unfortunately, yes. It is a screen cap of the climate change summit. Because you need to mask up at a virtual summit, apparently.

As I said earlier, how do you expect to be taken seriously when you are more worried about virtue signaling than reality?

Biden appears to be only world leader to wear a mask at virtual climate summit

Leaders who could be seen without masks included Putin, Merkel, Erdogan, and EU bigwigs von der Leyen and Michel

www.independent.co.uk

 

[VTKilarney]

Honestly not how I read it.

Biden was telling people that they should not trust a vaccine that was released under a Trump presidency. He was suggesting that Trump somehow had the power to force approval of something that was not ready for approval. That was an extremely reckless thing to say.

 

[Edd]

Biden was telling people that they should not trust a vaccine that was released under a Trump presidency. He was suggesting that Trump somehow had the power to force approval of something that was not ready for approval. That was an extremely reckless thing to say.

I’ve no interest in arguing that, and wouldn’t completely disagree. With your permission, I’ll enjoy the quote anyway.

 

[VTKilarney]

I’ve no interest in arguing that, and wouldn’t completely disagree. With your permission, I’ll enjoy the quote anyway.

Gotta maintain that echo chamber!

 

[fbrissette]

Is that right? Smart. No idea why we're not doing that. It's really shocking to me, and not much shocks me.

As I said, its been known that 1 mRNA dose is highly efficacious for several months now, but you never hear Fauci, CDC, Biden, etc... say that. It's almost as if they're afraid people wont get the 2nd dose if they know that. Either way it's a terribly tragic decision.

Yep that is definitely what Canada has been doing from the get go, although the original driver for this was the limited amount of doses we got, as there was still debate in January as to whether or not this was a good idea. Now it's very clear it was a great decision.

 

[VTKilarney]

Quebec is so short on Moderna that they are going to give Pfizer as a second dose to some people who had Moderna as their first dose.

 

[Edd]

Regardless of the reason for vaccine hesitancy it is important to find ways to communicate with these folks in ways that will encourage them to get vaccinated. Verbally abusing them, calling them names, bashing their politics, etc. is not the correct way to approach that and only brings into focus how intolerant people of all backgrounds have become. Villifying people for vaccine hesitancy will solve nothing and only hardens their position.

People need to become part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

Been thinking about your post and this is relevant to that.

Here's What Will Actually Convince People to Get Vaccinated

"The thinking has been that the more you shame people the more they will obey. But this turns out to be absolutely wrong"

time.com

But I’m very pessimistic about changing minds at this point. After what we’ve gone through, if you still need convincing...yikes.

 

[Not Sure]

Just have to wonder if the rollout was delayed for .....Say ........Politics ? Could it have been out sooner? How many people paid that price.

 

[jimmywilson69]

This thread is off the rails... welcome to after ski season!

 

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This thread is off the rails... welcome to after ski season!

Come over Harvey ski forum S

 

[BenedictGomez]

Quebec is so short on Moderna that they are going to give Pfizer as a second dose to some people who had Moderna as their first dose.

That's twice I'm shocked in the same thread. We would NEVER do that in America. I imagine it's perfectly fine, they're both mRNA vaccines codifying for the same spike protein, and there's very little artistic license with RNA. In fact, if there is some teeny-tiny difference it ironically might even be better, but the FDA would never be like, I'm pretty sure these hornets arent the murdering type! That's just so foreign to me after following the FDA for a long time.