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What in the Sam Hell is going on out West

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You dont get it.

When I stated the Wuhan Level 4 BioSafety lab is "walking distance" from the Wuhan wet market where the 1st COVID19 cluster broke out, I meant that literally, not figuratively.

China is a nation of almost 4,000,000 square miles.

If you wish to believe that COVID19 "coincidentally" broke out that close to the only laboratory in China which studies & houses deadly SARS forms of coronavirus, well, feel free.

Also, you're wrong to think that outbreaks only happen in that region of China. Hell, prior to COVID19 the most famous SARS outbreak was the 2003 SARS, which started in Guandong, which is about 600 miles from Wuhan, which is about the distance from New York City to Georgia!!!! Not exactly "walking distance" there.

They think the spillover happened well before the market outbreak. The market itself was fairly well ruled out as a source by the start of summer. Not unusual, markets are often large spreaders of disease. The region, including the Yangtze and Pearl river deltas is an epicenter for all sorts of fun viral stuff. You're clearly convinced that this wasn't as advertised, and I'm tired of wasting my time explaining to you why that, while not impossible, is exceedingly unlikely. Believe whatever you want, it ultimately makes no difference. I shall make no further comment on the matter.

I'm just ready to ski.
 

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How does the CDC keep track of positive or negative tests? . Just thinking my mother had 3 positive tests before beating it . The facility she was in tested weekly, is there a per patient tally or would the positive test be reported to the CDC as " New cases " or an existing positive ?
 

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I'm tired of wasting my time explaining to you why that, while not impossible, is exceedingly unlikely. Believe whatever you want, it ultimately makes no difference. I shall make no further comment on the matter.

You explained to me why COVID19 breaking out within walking distance (literally) of the only laboratory which houses deadly viruses in a nation roughly the same size as the United States of America (including Alaska & Hawaii) is merely a coincidence?

I must have missed that part; I only recall being called a conspiracy theorist.

Imagine walking everywhere in America, the entire nation without missing a speck. Then do Alaska, again, not missing a speck of it. Then do Hawaii, same thing. Roughly 7% of Planet Earth's landmass.

Now randomly "pick" a place anywhere in that massive geography for something to happen, by tossing a dart on a map. Now imagine the stochastic odds of picking a place within 4 miles. Good luck with that; but believe whatever you want, it ultimately makes no difference (though it will eventually).
 

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scroll down to:
"cases", where the numbers are rising. with 70K new cases per day on the latest 7-day average.

"deaths", where the numbers are still flat. with 780 dead per day on the latest 7 day average. regardless of what anyone says, we are not rounding any corner.

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en
 

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They think the spillover happened well before the market outbreak. The market itself was fairly well ruled out as a source by the start of summer. Not unusual, markets are often large spreaders of disease. The region, including the Yangtze and Pearl river deltas is an epicenter for all sorts of fun viral stuff. You're clearly convinced that this wasn't as advertised, and I'm tired of wasting my time explaining to you why that, while not impossible, is exceedingly unlikely. Believe whatever you want, it ultimately makes no difference. I shall make no further comment on the matter.
Yeah!!!

The Chinese have been responsible for half of all the flu in all the years we have flu records! I'm damn sure they were all manufactured in their army lab, designed to wipe out white men!!!

Hahaha!
 
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...I must have missed that part; I only recall being called a conspiracy theorist..

It's funny, I didn't realize there were still people who didn't think this thing came from a lab in Wuhan. I thought the base assumption was it came from a lab and most likely was released accidentally. But, it's impossible to be certain given opacity from the Chinese government. Even prominent left leaning (so silly that it's relevant to bring up, but such is life in 2020) academic/political commentators like the Weinstein brothers have said that's their working assumption on their podcasts. I'm going to take a straw poll with my college buddies on our Snap chain, but I cant imagine the ~70-80%/20-30% left/right contingent doesn't overwhelmingly assume the same.

Some free advice for 2planks, these two things can be true at once: 1) the People's Republic of China is an obviously malevolent world actor that likely bit off more than it could chew regarding virology and 2) given this, there was a response by the US federal government that you can still criticize. That way, you can save yourself the need to defend Beijing (unless that's your thing).

That said, treatment seems to be improving as we learn more about the virus. No hospital overwhelming yet either (I frankly doubt it will get that bad again given how NYC in March/April went). Hopefully, a vaccine is truly around the corner. I've heard from industry insiders that vaccines are indeed being produced in mass in advance in the hopes that one of them is approved. The question now seems, do those who are worried bunker down and wait for the vaccine, or not?
 

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Hopefully, a vaccine is truly around the corner. I've heard from industry insiders that vaccines are indeed being produced in mass in advance in the hopes that one of them is approved. The question now seems, do those who are worried bunker down and wait for the vaccine, or not?
Count me in as one who will hunker down and wait for the vaccine.

I used to ski in Europe often, and still have contact over there. Skiers were the first group who got infected back in March. Report of those who "got it" range from quick recovery to 80-90% recovered to one or two case of only 50-60% recovered now at 6 months post infection. I don't feel like taking the risk of missing a season (ski season or cycling season) at random if I end up with only 80% recovery 6 month post Covid.

I prefer to miss a season on purpose. That's just me, take the predictable over the unpredictable.

Though when I say that, I mean I will NOT COMMIT to skiing by buying season pass. I may still ski when/if possible. In fact, my "hunker down" probably involves more of non-skiing activities (car pool, overnight stay at hotel...) rather than skiing itself. (Though as a "flatlander", no overnight means a lot less skiing opportunities. Hence the no pass commitment part).

(mind you, the more realistic expectation of vaccine for general public is summer of 2021, AFTER the 20/21 ski season)
 

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Utah is currently a junk show. Here’s what’s going on in this hood...

Our Gov, gov Herbie, is one of those that thinks all is fine and the virus is not a big deal. He is just doing nothing and doesn’t care. Ya know, rounding the corner.

Bars and restaurants have been open for a while. Bar seating open. If there are capacity limits, it’d making no difference. Places are busy. Places are packed.

The mask “mandate” is useless. The Mormons are dumb and shit. They think Mormon Jesus will save them and this is a Hoax. They challenged the mask mandate down in Utah County where all the Mo’s live. So yeah, just send it down there.

Cases are as high as ever in Utah and not slowing down. Hospitals are pretty close to being at capacity.

The main issue down in the cities is people don’t give a shit. Everyone out here is to proud to wear a mask or think they know more then the doctors.

Up in Summit County, where the rich are hiding, is doing better. Mask mandate. Pretty much everyone is following. But like Park City, fucking busy as ever. People everywhere. Bars and restaurants full. Even with mask mandates it’s just straight up busy.

The Valley will ruin it for all. Stupid people and Mormons. Stupid religion. Influx of more dumb.

I’ve been back to the office for months now. My company doesn’t really care about this. No masks at office. Still in meetings with people. No social distancing. If I asked to go back to work from home it would be 100% no and someone would probably call me a pussy.
 
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Count me in as one who will hunker down and wait for the vaccine.

I used to ski in Europe often, and still have contact over there. Skiers were the first group who got infected back in March. Report of those who "got it" range from quick recovery to 80-90% recovered to one or two case of only 50-60% recovered now at 6 months post infection. I don't feel like taking the risk of missing a season (ski season or cycling season) at random if I end up with only 80% recovery 6 month post Covid.

I prefer to miss a season on purpose. That's just me, take the predictable over the unpredictable.

Though when I say that, I mean I will NOT COMMIT to skiing by buying season pass. I may still ski when/if possible. In fact, my "hunker down" probably involves more of non-skiing activities (car pool, overnight stay at hotel...) rather than skiing itself. (Though as a "flatlander", no overnight means a lot less skiing opportunities. Hence the no pass commitment part).

(mind you, the more realistic expectation of vaccine for general public is summer of 2021, AFTER the 20/21 ski season)

Your approach seems totally reasonable to me. I'll just be day tripping this year most likely, so maybe an Indy pass, but that's it.

I'm ~30 and have no known co-morbidities. I don't expect to be vaccine eligible until around June. Anything sooner than that would be gravy.

Regarding bursting through capacity in UT, I'm taking a wait-and-see approach. It was supposed to happen in Houston this summer, too, but never came to pass. Saw a SLC Tribune article from yesterday which sounds like there is now an expectation that more surge capacity will be needed and that there could be a need for temporary personnel. Hard to know if this is a CYA approach or not though. I'd want to cover mine, too. That said, definitely scary stuff if you're old and vulnerable living out there. Color me still skeptical that it gets to the point of rationing care given what we've already been through this year.
 
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Utah is currently a junk show. Here’s what’s going on in this hood...

Our Gov, gov Herbie, is one of those that thinks all is fine and the virus is not a big deal. He is just doing nothing and doesn’t care. Ya know, rounding the corner.

Bars and restaurants have been open for a while. Bar seating open. If there are capacity limits, it’d making no difference. Places are busy. Places are packed.

The mask “mandate” is useless. The Mormons are dumb and shit. They think Mormon Jesus will save them and this is a Hoax. They challenged the mask mandate down in Utah County where all the Mo’s live. So yeah, just send it down there.

Cases are as high as ever in Utah and not slowing down. Hospitals are pretty close to being at capacity.

The main issue down in the cities is people don’t give a shit. Everyone out here is to proud to wear a mask or think they know more then the doctors.

Up in Summit County, where the rich are hiding, is doing better. Mask mandate. Pretty much everyone is following. But like Park City, fucking busy as ever. People everywhere. Bars and restaurants full. Even with mask mandates it’s just straight up busy.

The Valley will ruin it for all. Stupid people and Mormons. Stupid religion. Influx of more dumb.

I’ve been back to the office for months now. My company doesn’t really care about this. No masks at office. Still in meetings with people. No social distancing. If I asked to go back to work from home it would be 100% no and someone would probably call me a pussy.

If you're this contemptuous about the culture out there, it sounds like you made a massive error in judgement moving out there in the first place. Maybe Reno or Denver are more your speed.
 

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If you're this contemptuous about the culture out there, it sounds like you made a massive error in judgement moving out there in the first place. Maybe Reno or Denver are more your speed.

No, I love where I live. And will hate and bash the Mormons all day and have for years. They are a fake cult and worship a fake kiddie diddler Jesus. How can you not bash them, they make it to easy. I live here for access to work, travel and skiing. And the climate and weather. The Mormons and other wack ass holes just get in the way sometimes. But anywhere you live you will always have something to complain about.
 

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No, I love where I live. And will hate and bash the Mormons all day and have for years. They are a fake cult and worship a fake kiddie diddler Jesus. How can you not bash them, they make it to easy. I live here for access to work, travel and skiing. And the climate and weather. The Mormons and other wack ass holes just get in the way sometimes. But anywhere you live you will always have something to complain about.

F**k, I LOL’d at this post for real.


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No, I love where I live. And will hate and bash the Mormons all day and have for years. They are a fake cult and worship a fake kiddie diddler Jesus. How can you not bash them, they make it to easy. I live here for access to work, travel and skiing. And the climate and weather. The Mormons and other wack ass holes just get in the way sometimes. But anywhere you live you will always have something to complain about.

I get there's a trade-off, but UT is the only place one can live in a Mormon church-state. Don't get me wrong, I find the rules there onerous and the missionaries wandering the streets of PC strange. Hating the dominant culture where you live is a real price to pay though, or dare I say, cross to bear.

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I get there's a trade-off, but UT is the only place one can live in a Mormon church-state. Don't get me wrong, I find the rules there onerous and the missionaries wandering the streets of PC strange. Hating the dominant culture where you live is a real price to pay though, or dare I say, cross to bear.

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When I first moved here I had no idea what a Mormon was. I moved here for snow and work. Then I learned - and by learn I mean shake my head in confusion.

Besides the government and church in bed and the Mormons shoving their religion down your throat like a back room porno, it’s not that bad.

Park City is almost a bubble compared to the rest of the State. If I didn’t work down in the city I’d would hardly ever come down here.

The liquor laws have actually got much better. And while it’s no Vegas on a Saturday booze party, I don’t even notice anymore the difference and few weird laws left.

This whole Covid thing is so political out here, and with the church and government holding each ones pee pee this is probably the first time in a while I can actually be pissed about it all.

Till then, I’ll burn that cross and not bear.
 
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When I first moved here I had no idea what a Mormon was. I moved here for snow and work. Then I learned - and by learn I mean shake my head in confusion.

Besides the government and church in bed and the Mormons shoving their religion down your throat like a back room porno, it’s not that bad.

Park City is almost a bubble compared to the rest of the State. If I didn’t work down in the city I’d would hardly ever come down here.

The liquor laws have actually got much better. And while it’s no Vegas on a Saturday booze party, I don’t even notice anymore the difference and few weird laws left.

This whole Covid thing is so political out here, and with the church and government holding each ones pee pee this is probably the first time in a while I can actually be pissed about it all.

Till then, I’ll burn that cross and not bear.

Good to know that things are getting better. Ironically enough, High West is one of my favorite bars I've been to. That said, culturally, Utah and Los Angeles are the two places I've been in the US where I really don't know if the culture would be for me.

Hopefully, the ski season gets off without too much difficulty. You'll be in a relatively good spot out there assuming a decent winter, but I'm concerned about snowmaking budgets back east for sure.
 
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Count me in as one who will hunker down and wait for the vaccine.

I used to ski in Europe often, and still have contact over there. Skiers were the first group who got infected back in March. Report of those who "got it" range from quick recovery to 80-90% recovered to one or two case of only 50-60% recovered now at 6 months post infection. I don't feel like taking the risk of missing a season (ski season or cycling season) at random if I end up with only 80% recovery 6 month post Covid.

I prefer to miss a season on purpose. That's just me, take the predictable over the unpredictable.

Though when I say that, I mean I will NOT COMMIT to skiing by buying season pass. I may still ski when/if possible. In fact, my "hunker down" probably involves more of non-skiing activities (car pool, overnight stay at hotel...) rather than skiing itself. (Though as a "flatlander", no overnight means a lot less skiing opportunities. Hence the no pass commitment part).

(mind you, the more realistic expectation of vaccine for general public is summer of 2021, AFTER the 20/21 ski season)

A sane and reasonable approach. Though I intend to ski as much as I possibly can, I respect those who feel their personal risk profile or those they may spread it to is just too high. You are correct that general public availability of any vaccine may not be until after the end of the ski season.
 

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Yeah!!!

The Chinese have been responsible for half of all the flu in all the years we have flu records! I'm damn sure they were all manufactured in their army lab, designed to wipe out white men!!!

Hahaha!

I believe that
Unfortunately most of my family watching CNN don't believe it
It amazing sad same for people on Facebook left democrats don't believe it all
Fortunate for me I informed by what I understand all us polticals are corrupt by money and lobists
Sorry for getting political
 
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