What the heck is going on at Magic?

[skithetrees]

That area and other peak if you will has always looked intriguing when I've skied down Upper Wiz. Does Magic own that land? Wonder how much vertical that would add?
Would it require another lift to avoid lots of up hill hiking?

It would add marginal vertical. I believe they do and lease it to the cell company for the tower. People do hike it and it is a pretty easy hike. Nothing compared to the hourglass at Stowe, which isn't exactly hard either. There was talk of a rope tow there a few years ago, but there were obviously bigger fish to fry.

 

[Do Work]

It would add marginal vertical. I believe they do and lease it to the cell company for the tower. People do hike it and it is a pretty easy hike. Nothing compared to the hourglass at Stowe, which isn't exactly hard either. There was talk of a rope tow there a few years ago, but there were obviously bigger fish to fry.

Lies. That's a fkn brutal hike in decent snow and there isn't a damn thing there except a gnarly bushwack. Seriously, don't tell people anything else unless you want them to come back to you really, really pissed off. I've gone out there just for shits & giggles and neither were had. Ok, maybe a few shits but that's about it. Certainly no giggles.


Magic owns that farther-west peak, but they also sold off a good portion of the land below it to loggers. Maybe someday we will have enough time to figure out the property line and enough people to cut some trees out there but until then, PLEASE don't give people the idea there's something out there to ski. There is not. Sending people out there would be flat out dangerous and not at all fun for anyone.

 

[slatham]

Yes, the area further west from Wizard looks extremely intriguing. To me that "mound" looks to be a bigger, longer version of the "mound" on the main mountain (Twilight/Gonif/Red/Black). In my arm-chair-ski-area-owner-fantasyland I would put a handle tow (like they have for beginner area - which if they bought a Magic carpet would be available) from the top of Black Lift up to the cell towers. From there would be a run-in trail, and a run-out trail at the bottom, but keep the area primarily glades/chutes. Maybe one trial that connects to Slide of Hans. The "Western Territory" so to speak.

Someday I'll have to grab someone to join me in a little back country recon trip.......

 

[skithetrees]

Lies. That's a fkn brutal hike in decent snow and there isn't a damn thing there except a gnarly bushwack. Seriously, don't tell people anything else unless you want them to come back to you really, really pissed off. I've gone out there just for shits & giggles and neither were had. Ok, maybe a few shits but that's about it. Certainly no giggles.


Magic owns that farther-west peak, but they also sold off a good portion of the land below it to loggers. Maybe someday we will have enough time to figure out the property line and enough people to cut some trees out there but until then, PLEASE don't give people the idea there's something out there to ski. There is not. Sending people out there would be flat out dangerous and not at all fun for anyone.

What i said is true. Some people hike it. I never implied it was worthwhile or a good idea. Perhaps I should have been more detailed. Not going to say anymore on that. Also, it should be assumed that hiking an unbeaten path in snow sucks if you aren't properly equipped. I guess I falsely made the assumption that people who go hiking somewhere would know what they were doing. I guess the news stories every winter should have made me know better.

Do work's point makes for a good PSA - if you don't know where you are going or what you are doing, don't d o it or go with someone who does (not implying at all that was your case). Maybe we should have a work day out there with the chainsaws

 

[SIKSKIER]

I want to know how Magic gained an additional 150' vertical over the years! :beer::grin:

Beat me to it.I was actually looking at this a few weeks ago on GE and could only come up with 1550 ft.I see they showed 1550 on an old map and then 1600 on a later one,1650 and then...presto..1700.

 

[Smellytele]

It gets confusing with the colors because the Green chair is actually blue, the black chair used to be blue, the original green chair was on the beginners area, and red is just red.

So the Double chair that was partially installed in 2003 that runs up the Green Line trail (aka Phoenix Lift) never ran at Magic. It used to be the Betwixt Chair at Stratton.

But there was a Poma Triple that ran in that same location. Installed in 1987 and sold to B-East in the 90's. It was called the Mid-Mountain Triple.

Would like to see a trail map from late 80's early 90's that show the Poma triple you mention

 

[Sorcerer]

It gets confusing with the colors because the Green chair is actually blue, the black chair used to be blue, the original green chair was on the beginners area, and red is just red.

So the Double chair that was partially installed in 2003 that runs up the Green Line trail (aka Phoenix Lift) never ran at Magic. It used to be the Betwixt Chair at Stratton.

But there was a Poma Triple that ran in that same location. Installed in 1987 and sold to B-East in the 90's. It was called the Mid-Mountain Triple.

Great explanation.

The only thing you missed was the T-bar on Showoff.

The Mid-Mountain Triple was also called the lift to nowhere - all the others chairs would be loaded and the line on the Mid_Mountain would be minuscule.

 

[Sorcerer]

Beat me to it.I was actually looking at this a few weeks ago on GE and could only come up with 1550 ft.I see they showed 1550 on an old map and then 1600 on a later one,1650 and then...presto..1700.

It's 1550'. Someone started measuring from the base of the access road which gives 1700'

 

[Sorcerer]

Would like to see a trail map from late 80's early 90's that show the Poma triple you mention

The Poma Triple was in the exact same spot as the Green/Phoenix. The Green/Phoenix uses the Poma's tower's reinforced foundations.

 

[vonski]

Looking on Google earth. If you mark the top of Glebe Mtn it says 2943 as elevation, then the bottom of access road goes to 1250 which gives you 1693 elevation. So close to 1700. lol. The top of red is 2850 and the parking lot behind lodge is 1350 giving 1500. I will give it 1500 since I will ski to the car at the end of a day. But quite frankly, the 1500 is plenty with the type of terrain at least for me it is. I enjoy the 12 minute ride on the red chair well needed rest for me!

 

[Not Sure]

It's 1550'. Someone started measuring from the base of the access road which gives 1700'

http://www.hillmap.com/m/ag1zfmhpbGxtYXAtaGRychULEghTYXZlZE1hcBiAgICQjKKpCww

This beats GE , click on paths and drop points to measure elv.

Never been to Magic but sounds like with good snow would be fun , all the years me and my old gang never stopped in S Vt.
kept going for the larger areas , Is the other area nearby afiliated with Magic?

 

[Do Work]

Looking on Google earth. If you mark the top of Glebe Mtn it says 2943 as elevation, then the bottom of access road goes to 1250 which gives you 1693 elevation. So close to 1700. lol. The top of red is 2850 and the parking lot behind lodge is 1350 giving 1500. I will give it 1500 since I will ski to the car at the end of a day. But quite frankly, the 1500 is plenty with the type of terrain at least for me it is. I enjoy the 12 minute ride on the red chair well needed rest for me!

Yeah honestly I know it gets shit for not being huge but in all reality it skis much bigger than it should. I don't know anybody who doesn't actually NEED that slow ride back up haha

 

[Do Work]

http://www.hillmap.com/m/ag1zfmhpbGxtYXAtaGRychULEghTYXZlZE1hcBiAgICQjKKpCww

This beats GE , click on paths and drop points to measure elv.

Never been to Magic but sounds like with good snow would be fun , all the years me and my old gang never stopped in S Vt.
kept going for the larger areas , Is the other area nearby afiliated with Magic?

Dude you're missing out! If you are driving farther north for "bigger mountains" I'll be he first to say you get a lot of the same terrain at Magic but without about 5,000 of the people. Also no nearby mountains are affiliated. Sometimes I think they're on different planets altogether!

 

[Smellytele]

Dude you're missing out! If you are driving farther north for "bigger mountains" I'll be he first to say you get a lot of the same terrain at Magic but without about 5,000 of the people. Also no nearby mountains are affiliated. Sometimes I think they're on different planets altogether!

I think he may be asking about timberline or whatever it is called that you can ski over to off the top.

 

[WoodCore]

I think he may be asking about timberline or whatever it is called that you can ski over to off the top.

Timber Ridge.

 

[Do Work]

I think he may be asking about timberline or whatever it is called that you can ski over to off the top.

Aaaah ok. Yeah Timber Ridge is kind of funny... There are no lifts and nobody works there but the owner grooms a track along the outside of the place for snowmobiles and skinners. Lots of sledneck a party there on any given day and having a water skiing tow rope is probably as good of a call as skins. It's pretty flat over there but it's a nice change of pace, especially on a pow day.

But no , they aren't affiliated.

 

[Not Sure]

Dude you're missing out! If you are driving farther north for "bigger mountains" I'll be he first to say you get a lot of the same terrain at Magic but without about 5,000 of the people. Also no nearby mountains are affiliated. Sometimes I think they're on different planets altogether!

It's about 5 hrs but that's not to bad , maybe this year . Hours operation ? Weekends and powder days ?

 

[Scruffy]

It's about 5 hrs but that's not to bad , maybe this year . Hours operation ? Weekends and powder days ?

Dude, if southern VT get's it, do the drive. Hit Magic on your way to MRG!

 

[steamboat1]

Never been to Magic, all the years me and my old gang never stopped
kept going

Been like that for most since the 60's. Must be a reason?

 

[Smellytele]

Been like that for most since the 60's. Must be a reason?

Brainwashed into believing that Northern VT is way better than So VT. While I agree Northern is more consistent but So VT can get the goods and Magic's terrain is not like the rest of So VT.