Euler
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What's with Peak Resort owned Ski Resort Lifts closed at 3:30 pm?
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ss20
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Peak Resorts DOES NOT SUCK...
in Vermont.
But I have to agree, the NH resorts are getting screwed.
in Vermont.
But I have to agree, the NH resorts are getting screwed.
VT is one data point vs 3 in NH. Wait... NH "resorts"? Have you been to Crotched and Wildcat?
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Northern NH resorts yes.
I bet Crotched is as good as it's ever been for 12/15. Yes, much of that is due to today's storm, but even prior to that they had 2/3rds of the mountain open yesterday with snowmaking only.
Now, Crotched is a small place with not a lot of acreage to cover, but from skiing there earlier this month on opening weekend to skiing there today, it's clear Peak's is making an acceptable effort. They need bigger snowmaking ponds at Crotched, but that's really it.
Truthfully, since getting started on the 7th, Attitash has been making snow at probably max capacity too. I bet when I get back up there next Monday, they'll have quite a bit of the mountain open. Though I think everyone agrees, they should have gotten started earlier.
The marketing problem Peaks has right now in regards to the MWV is that they promoted Wildcat as the early season destination and Wildcat's system failed. Had they made an early push for Attitash to get open, customers would be less concerned about the problems at Wildcat because at least Peaks would be offering a respectable product right down the road until they sorted their issues out with Wildcat. Right now, it's a pretty piss poor showing in terms of overall acreage offered at the two areas. Hopefully they learn from it and improve the early season product for next year.
Savemeasammy
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You are close.
I found this interesting when I discovered this a while back: the earliest the sun sets is at 4:12. It happens from Dec. 5 - Dec 12. OTOH, the latest sunrise is 7:20 and occurs from Dec. 31 to Jan 5. This data is available on twc's website. Under "averages" then "table displays". The times will vary a bit with your location of course...
Shutting down SOME lifts at 3:30 is fine. Shutting them all down is lame.
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Newpylong
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It's obvious they are only investing in mountains that make money right now - smart business but also indicative of biting off more than you can chew. Attitash and Wildcat have been terrible since they bought them. Mount Snow and Crotched, not so much.
They have much more than a marketing problem, they have a truth problem, the folks who pay every year for their season pass would at less like it straight, wildcat has a broken snowmaking system above the tomcat lift and Attitash has a problem with the triple , and not a word from management, they are locked in their office with the shades drawn.
Smellytele
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Peak does not know how to run a Mountain they only know how to run mid-west hills so when big problems occur they are lost.
+1
Can someone ask them to do an Alpine Zone Challenge? Who is responsible for this?
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ss20
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Hence their undeniable success at Mount Snow, one of the top mountains for skier visits and size in the Northeast.
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Does anybody know skier visits wise how Cranmore compares to Attitash and Wildcat. I would think Attitash should be the busiest of the three, but cranmore has been investing a lot the last few years.
Its frustrating to me, because I like Attitash (I'm probably one of the few) based on my one visit there a few years ago. To me it seems as though wildcat has little room to grow or gain more skiers due to its remoteness, park land, and tough terrain, but I feel Attitash has tons of untapped potential that American SKiing tried to build on 15 years ago, but nothing has been done to the place since.
Its frustrating to me, because I like Attitash (I'm probably one of the few) based on my one visit there a few years ago. To me it seems as though wildcat has little room to grow or gain more skiers due to its remoteness, park land, and tough terrain, but I feel Attitash has tons of untapped potential that American SKiing tried to build on 15 years ago, but nothing has been done to the place since.
Not sure on the skier visit numbers.
Just wanted to comment on the "tough terrain" comment regarding Wildcat. With the exception of Hairball at Wildcat, overall, Attitash has the more difficult terrain of the two areas. Attitash is a much steeper mountain than Wildcat.
I think Wildcat does have room to grow skier visits and that's with improved reliability, i.e. snowmaking. It's a fantastic mountain and the skiing is great when there's natural snow. If they offered consistently great skiing even during dry spells by having a top notch snowmaking system, it would vastly improve the mountains image as being outdated and inconsistent.
I was hanging out with a couple of retired MWV old timers at Attitash last week. They were at Attitash due to the poor offering at Wildcat. They said what the mountain really needs is someone to buy it and sink $10M into the snowmaking system without any expectations of return on investment. Maybe that billionaire dude who just bought Taos might be interested. :lol:
The New England Ski History site's most recent visit numbers for Wildcat and Cranmore are from 05-06. Wildcat was 84k in 05-06(104k in 89-90) and Cranmore was 108k. Attitash was 187k in 05-06, down from a high of 233k in 97-98, and dropped even further to 141k in 2010.
I don't know where to find more current numbers
I don't know where to find more current numbers
Need some help in the customer service dept at mount snow as well-- went there sat. -- cheerful lady at ticket window says- we've opened a lot of new terrain so full regular season pricing starts.. 85- I ask her what new terrain has opened.. She is befuddled... And says check the ski report - I said I did and didn't see anything new.... Keep in mind snow had by far the least open terrain of their sovt true competitors- okemo and Stratton....paid because I was there... And the only reason i was there was because I had a 7 pm function back home in ct and was worried about wether on the ride home....long and short-- they are playing it financially conservative-- at least with respect to snowmaking at snow as well...
Mount Snow has always been a money maker, long before they came along but yeah they seem to be putting a lot of effort over there. Attitash/Wildcat not so much.
ScottySkis
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That is ashamed. I love what I see at Mountain Snow (lol) I don't get to NH to much but I remember loving Wildcat when I was young and think I might hit on Cannon Wildcat spring weekend I wish the management gets it like what happened at K got me back to K which into this season I hadn't been there in about 10 years.
drjeff
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Really??
The snowmaking terrain that they have open now is BURRIED. I will admit that having been there 4 out of their 5 open weekends this season that the terrain rollout has been a bit slow, but the reason that it has been that way is that they made the decision to REALLY cover the terrain that they were working on with essentially "thaw proof" depths, and in typical early seasons would allow them to have to just do a quick, few hour resurface if a thaw/freeze up warm weather event rolled through, as they do in *most* early seasons. In years past, they did roll out a bit quick, but they also then lost some trails to warm up events and it took longer to resurface the ones they didn't loose as they didn't have the base depths to work with.
While I don't have the exact data, as someone who's been skiing at Mount Snow for 30 years, I'm hard pressed to remember a Mid December where they've made as much snow to date as they have this year. They've been quite aggressive with their snowmaking, but at the same time using a bit more of a conservative strategy to ensure that what they get open via snowmaking will be open come Christmas week regardless of mother nature. It's just that this season, so far, mother nature hasn't provided the quantity or duration of warm/wet events that she typically has in recent early seasons. Might the management team at Mount Snow second guess their strategy this season? Knowing them, I doubt it, since they're some of the best in the business and have a very solid big picture idea about what they're doing and why they're doing it
trackbiker
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I was there last Thursday for Founders Day. It seems that they focused on Carinthia and the parks more than the trails on the other faces. The parks take a lot of snow for the features and Carinthia was almost 100% open.
drjeff
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Basically the snowmaking system, and more importantly the water supply, for the snowmaking system that covers the trails at Carinthia as well as the Beartrap Bump run and a small portion of the snowmaking terrain at the bottom of the Sunbrook area is on a separate loop than the snowmaking system and water supply that covers the rest of the mountain. The water for Carinthia comes from Mirror Lake, which is the pond at the entrance to The Haystack Club and is pumped over and up to the mid mountain pond at Carinthia and used. Early season, when the Haystack Club isn't making snow yet, in essence they have more water available. In reality it's the same amount, but at Carinthia, you're only cover trails that are about 1 mile long (or less) verses on the main mountain you're typically covering top to bottom routes that are 1.5 to 2 miles long, so that plays into effect, let alone having to use that water and the limited pumping capacity to cover main mountain and northface trails. In essence the way the snowmaking system at Mount Snow is set up, it's not 1 all encompassing snowmaking system, but 2 seperate systems that operate independent of each other.
When Mount Snow finishes it West Lake Snowmaking project (hopefully, pending financing approval for this 8 figure project, starting this year) not only will Mount Snow have just 1 integrated system instead of 2, but more water and more pumping capacity in addition to a snowmaking expansion to essentially 100% of the terrain. The 1st step in this project started this summer where they reworked some of the pumping system from the main pond at Snow Lake (near the main base area) to allow them to pump water to the mid mountain pond at Carinthia. This is just used in secondary occassions now when water drawing restrictions in the agreement they have with The Hermitage Club (Haystack) doesn't allow them to draw water from there. This hasn't been an issue this year to date as water inflow rates into all of their snowmaking ponds has been very good to date.
In essence, you can't really base the snow production at Carinthia and on the Main/North faces on an equal basis, since they're 2 different systems with different amounts of terrain they cover
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