Whiteface Gondola incident - Hoodlums threatened to push passenger out

[tekweezle]

funny thing is that I know the converse argument will be "they are young kids, boys will be boys, don;t ruin their lives over a stupid incident".
i doubt this is their first time doing something like this too. wanting to put something like this up on the web suggest some premeditation on someone's part. that;s a pattern for future issues that ought to be remedied right now.

you are never too young to have a reality check. younger the better.

 

[hardline]

I regards to self- defense, in most states you are allowed to defend yourself with reasonable force to protect yourself or others. The problem comes in if, say you are attacked my an older, frail individual and you could easily restrain this individual with minimal effort, but instead decide to end the old guy's life, you will probably be charged.

I know if there's a burgler you can be charged with murder if you kill them..and my first instinct would be to shoot a burgler in the head..

in this case they where threating to throw him out a gondola which would constitute a life threating situation. so the use of deadly force would be justified. its not like they where going to push him off a curb. what ever the case these kids should be put down and have thier procreation card pulled.

 

[ed-drum]

I didn't mean to physically stick the knife into a hand, what my friend meant was to get a knife and put it in his hand (grip) to get prints on it. GEEZ! The point of this is, if some punks threatened me like that, I would physically subdue them and teach them a lesson. On a gondola or anywhere. Especially if they had a video camera running. To threaten someone with bodily harm or death is called menacing. I would've beat them silly.

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

I didn't mean to physically stick the knife into a hand, what my friend meant was to get a knife and put it in his hand (grip) to get prints on it. GEEZ!

mmm-kay, sorry I misread. But it still doesnt seem like the best advice, I mean if someone broke into my house, amped up on heroin, looking for money to go buy his next fix... I don't think I'd be too inclined to hand him a knife.

 

[icedtea]

I think he means after you knock the f*cker out, put the knife in his hand.

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

Sorry, but I have to call BS on all the "I would have <beat them silly><kicked the crap out of them><xyz whatever> comments". I'd bet money any of us (myself included), in the situation of trapped in a gondola car with 4 punks taunting us and no one else around for backup would have just tried to de-escalate the situation unless they actually made an attack. No one in their right mind picks a fight outnumbered w/ no escape route. Unless you have a gun in your pocket I guess. Now if that poor guy did have a gun, and let's say he was a bit imbalanced mentally... :smile:

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

I think he means after you knock the f*cker out, put the knife in his hand.

Ok now that does make sense. Probably wanna wash your hands first too so you dont get fingerprinte on the knife...

 

[ed-drum]

Okay, I'll be patient. Kill him, then PUT a knife in his hand. AFTER you kill him if you want to. I wouldn't kill the jerk though, I'd knock him out then call the cops. They can't prosecute you for that. You wouldn't have to get your prints off of the knife from your kitchen, he would've been using a "weapon of opportunity".

 

[icedtea]

The problem in the NE, with middle-to-upper_middle class people is...noone will have the backbone and conviction to show as a witness for anyone who wouldn't stand for that crap....

$.01

NE? I don't think I am following you here. But, yeah a lot of people will not go out of their way to help another out.

 

[hardline]

Sorry, but I have to call BS on all the "I would have <beat them silly><kicked the crap out of them><xyz whatever> comments". I'd bet money any of us (myself included), in the situation of trapped in a gondola car with 4 punks taunting us and no one else around for backup would have just tried to de-escalate the situation unless they actually made an attack. No one in their right mind picks a fight outnumbered w/ no escape route. Unless you have a gun in your pocket I guess. Now if that poor guy did have a gun, and let's say he was a bit imbalanced mentally... :smile:

i guess you never got the crap kicked out of you as a kid. it sucks and you do everything in you power to never let it happen to you or anyone you know. if you actually watched the video there was no de-escalating that situation. thats mob mentality there.while i agree that best course of action would be to diffuse the situation you really have no idea what you are talking about. let me know the next time you are atacked by two or more people. i have been atacked no less than three times by groups of more than three people. hell with a set of keys i could have cut his jugular or one shot to his adams apple and suffacation. mob mentality is a very very dangerous thing. people do things they would never do and inocent people get hurt.

 

[ed-drum]

Somebody just hit the proverbial nail on the head. A bully is essentially a coward, so flatten the big mouth and then they'll all run. And heroin addicts are not "amped up". They need their fix because they are sicker than a dog. That jerk who ripped us off would sit on the porch wrapped in a blanket jonesing while looking like he had the flu. He was collecting workmen's comp for a back injury, so I got pictures of him mowing the lawn and moving rocks around so I sent then in and he got he money cut off. You are thinking of speed freaks.

 

[campgottagopee]

bad parenting....

You nailed it!!!!!

As a young adult my Father would have kicked my ass 3 way's to sunday if I ever acted like that. You hear about and talk about "kids these days" and how they've changed. Well here's a twist----At diner the other night with firends and family my Dad was asked the question: "After teaching school for 35 yrs what's the biggest change in kids that you've noticed". Dad, "I've noticed a bigger change in the parents than in the kids".

How true is that----seems to me parents nowadays back their kids more than authority.

 

[icedtea]

You nailed it!!!!!

As a young adult my Father would have kicked my ass 3 way's to sunday if I ever acted like that. You hear about and talk about "kids these days" and how they've changed. Well here's a twist----At diner the other night with firends and family my Dad was asked the question: "After teaching school for 35 yrs what's the biggest change in kids that you've noticed". Dad, "I've noticed a bigger change in the parents than in the kids".

How true is that----seems to me parents nowadays back their kids more than authority.

I blame the kids. At no time during my childhood did I think it was appropriate to treat another human being that way.

 

[campgottagopee]

I blame the kids. At no time during my childhood did I think it was appropriate to treat another human being that way.

Don't you think that may have had something to do with the way you were brought up by your parents???

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Don't you think that may have had something to do with the way you were brought up by your parents???

Well then blame the teachers and society while you are at it..no I blame the kids..

 

[Dr Skimeister]

You nailed it!!!!!

"After teaching school for 35 yrs what's the biggest change in kids that you've noticed". Dad, "I've noticed a bigger change in the parents than in the kids".

One of the best quotes I've read in a while. No doubt that parents of ill-mannered kids have to be looked at as enablers. Perhaps it's a function of parents passing off their parenting chores to poorly paid teachers or the general "not my fault for my actions" attitude that has become acceptable in our society.

 

[campgottagopee]

Well then blame the teachers and society while you are at it..no I blame the kids..

Teacher and society???? Right, whens the last time you sued a teacher??? That shit never happend back in my day---now teachers cant even discipline a student for fear of getting arrested or what have you. There's a bigger picture GSS

 

[Warp Daddy]

Parental abrogation of responsibility has been endemic since the mid 80's . .

The SELF ESTEEM "movemen" which overly praises the most pedestrian of behaviours has been a significant contribution as has the seeming willingness among many , not all parent s to shove stuff , $$$ and unwarranted sugary sappy sappy praise to assuage their own shortcomings .. Many parents today live vicariously thru their offspring -- SAD but True

Parenting is NOT about being your kid's buddy -- if one EXPECTS alot they'll get Alot in terms of performance ( in any thing ) , especially if REAL progress and achievement is recognized and rewarded -- but this over-abundant praise FOR THE TRIVIAL creates a FALSE sense of accomplishment AND franklly cheapens performance both on expectation s and in actual behavior

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

so are you guys saying that parents today are generally more lenient?? I know parents were allowed to hit kids back in the day and now it's considered child abuse..

 

[Warp Daddy]

GSS it not about physicality, its about HOW ONE MANAGES expectations ! as a parent