Whiteface Gondola incident - Hoodlums threatened to push passenger out

[Dr Skimeister]

so are you guys saying that parents today are generally more lenient?? I know parents were allowed to hit kids back in the day and now it's considered child abuse..

Corporeal punishment has nothing to do with how effective one is as a parent. IMHO, hitting kids is as cowardly as is a kid that bullies.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

GSS it not about physicality, its about HOW ONE MANAGES expectations ! as a parent

I'm surprised they don't require parenting classes..I would have no idea how to be a parent.

 

[campgottagopee]

GSS it not about physicality, its about HOW ONE MANAGES expectations ! as a parent

OH HOW TRUE!!!

As a kid the last thing I EVER wanted to do was to let my parents down.

 

[Warp Daddy]

Corporeal punishment has nothing to do with how effective one is as a parent. IMHO, hitting kids is as cowardly as is a kid that bullies.

Hitting is NOT acceptable behavior again it's how you define , measure manage and reward behavior that gets results . ONE CANNOT MOTIVATE another human being -- HOWEVER you CAN create an ENVIRONMENT in which motivation is LIKELY to occur. Expect alot get alot -- expect a little-- get little \


Many fine teachers and coaches ( Active teaching ) and Managers aren't necessarily your buddy

They have several things in common tho : ----high standards, monitor performance for REAL progress-- GIVE positive feedback ONLY when performance warrant s same and use FEEDBACK that corrects performance but doesn't praise when performance is SUB PAR or NOT TO EXPECTATION .

 

[campgottagopee]

Corporeal punishment has nothing to do with how effective one is as a parent. IMHO, hitting kids is as cowardly as is a kid that bullies.

True----Dad after punishing us would like to say---"I'd never hit my kids....but I understand it"

 

[icedtea]

What about throwing objects at the rugrats?

 

[billski]

Who took the video? The kids or a party to the victim?

 

[Beetlenut]

After following this thread, I have the following observation. Not making excuses for parents, but a lot of parents both have to work to make ends meet, so the kids are not supervised or getting the one on one time they need. Enter technology to the rescue, the video babysitter. Kids spend way to much time playing video games, most of them just senseless violence, that ends up desensitizing them to violent acts with no reguard to the pain that is inflicted or the burden of responsibility of their actions. Kids are bombarded by violence from the time they are born. Violence in our society is glorified on TV, movies, video games, computer games, etc.... For a parent these days, it's a real up-hill battle to compete with all that stimulation and still get the message across. That doesn't mean that parents can't instill a good set of values and morality into their kids when they are around though. As far as these guys in the video, it's time for them to learn what happens when you take those misguided ideas of youth out into society.

 

[billski]

It would be really interesting to see how a thread like this would go down on skidiva.com. I'll bet they reach different conclusions.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

It would be really interesting to see how a thread like this would go down on skidiva.com. I'll bet they reach different conclusions.

how so?? Something to do with the estrogen?

 

[freezorburn]

thats just wrong. that being said if i had been in the car and it had been me. one if not two of them would be dead or serriously injured. if you threaten my life i will very simply remove you from the face of the earth and the wonderfull thing is the law is on my side because its self defense. that is just .... im speachless.

Yes well they are punks and they PICKED THERE MARK. They would not have done anything if it was you or anyone else that would have taken there heads off.

They targeted and knew they could intimidate this person. Gets my blood boiling, makes you wish you where there and pound there faces in when they tried to grab his poles.:angry:

 

[Warp Daddy]

After following this thread, I have the following observation. Not making excuses for parents, but a lot of parents both have to work to make ends meet, so the kids are not supervised or getting the one on one time they need. Enter technology to the rescue, the video babysitter. Kids spend way to much time playing video games, most of them just senseless violence, that ends up desensitizing them to violent acts with no reguard to the pain that is inflicted or the burden of responsibility of their actions. Kids are bombarded by violence from the time they are born. Violence in our society is glorified on TV, movies, video games, computer games, etc.... For a parent these days, it's a real up-hill battle to compete with all that stimulation and still get the message across. That doesn't mean that parents can't instill a good set of values and morality into their kids when they are around though. As far as these guys in the video, it's time for them to learn what happens when you take those misguided ideas of youth out into society.

I realize how difficult it is having raised children and my wife and i were professionals .

HOWEVER Choices and sacrifices are often necessary to achieve Real results as parents

Strongest word in a parents lexicon is often NO or at least LIMIT kids time with these DISTRACTIONS which frankly add LITTLE or NO Value to substantive learning . Use these as rewards FOR REAL MEASUREABLE PROGRESS

Better to get the kids to EXERCISE physically and limit the time of these mind numbing distractions

AS far as TV is concerned it is a wasteland

 

[Beetlenut]

I realize how difficult it is having raised children and my wife and i were professionals .

HOWEVER Choices and sacrifices are often necessary to achieve Real results as parents

Strongest word in a parents lexicon is often NO or at least LIMIT kids time with these DISTRACTIONS which frankly add LITTLE or NO Value to substantive learning . Use these as rewards FOR REAL MEASUREABLE PROGRESS

Better to get the kids to EXERCISE physically and limit the time of these mind numbing distractions

AS far as TV is concerned it is a wasteland

I hear ya. Just be glad you weren't raising those kids in todays enviroment. At times it seems like every aspect of today's reality is in opposition to what we as parents are trying to instill in our children. Like getting through wasn't hard enough already!

 

[tekweezle]

I can;t speak for the victim;s circumstance but i might have chosen to simply avoid the situation and take the next car up if i saw some rowdy kids on the lift line. sometimes the better part of valor is "annoyance avoidance".

the punks that perpetrated this sound like typical bullies and it sounds like it was premeditated. However, if you corner me in an enclosed space, maybe they should worry about themselves. I am wearing heavy ski boots and a helmet. if you point your expensive video camera or camera phone at me, you might not have it in one piece.

what pisses me off about this is that we are all guests of the resort. we all pay good money to enjoy ourselves skiing the outdoors...including the victim. that these punks felt entitled to a little extra curricular "fun" just pisses me off. what I want out of this is for these punks to realize that there are consequences to their actions.

 

[bigbog]

...parents..

I think too few parents are DOers ...ie planning activities(indoor/outdoor)..where the parent(s) is/are just [a] partner(s) with more experience....not acting as prison commandant(s). ..Only showing up when discipline is to be admonished isn't the way to go...
Warp Daddy's ...more Exercise is a definite! Combining it with something outdoors makes it unnoticed...

$.01

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

AS far as TV is concerned it is a wasteland

It's good entertainment..especially reality TV..I watched alot of TV as a kid and I turned out OK.

 

[Beetlenut]

I watched alot of TV as a kid and I turned out OK.

The jurry's still out on that one!

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

The jurry's still out on that one!

lol...there were so many good TV shows when I was growing up..there was no way I was going to miss..Mr. Belvidere..anyway I hope bad things happen to those kids..

 

[Geoff]

It's good entertainment..especially reality TV..I watched alot of TV as a kid and I turned out OK.

How did you ever have time to watch TV? Between school, the mighty Blue Mountain, and all those posts on Rec.Skiing.Alpine, SkiVT-L, and all the RSN message boards, you had no time to watch TV. ...or was TV your off season activity?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

How did you ever have time to watch TV? Between school, the mighty Blue Mountain, and all those posts on Rec.Skiing.Alpine, SkiVT-L, and all the RSN message boards, you had no time to watch TV. ...or was TV your off season activity?

Well I didn't have the internet until I was 14..and that was Prodigy..I wasn't on the World Wide Web until a little later and really didn't ski alot until I got a car when I was 16. But I was always opposed to afterschool activities so I would go home from school and watch TV and eat steezy poofs. Now I hardly watch any TV..but this is not about me..it's about a couple of punks and I hope they all get hit by a car or mauled by a Grizzly Bear..Karma will catch up to them..