I have heard the soups tone stoves take some time to heat up. The one I am looking at is the brown enamel. Do you think the enamel models heat a bit faster than stone? My wife works from home so this stove will be our 24/7 burner. After reviewing my sq footage and the fact that we have the wood insert on the other side of the chimney stack I am thinking the Blaze King and Buck Stoves might be too much fire power.
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Wood Stove Cheap??
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I have heard the soups tone stoves take some time to heat up. The one I am looking at is the brown enamel. Do you think the enamel models heat a bit faster than stone? My wife works from home so this stove will be our 24/7 burner. After reviewing my sq footage and the fact that we have the wood insert on the other side of the chimney stack I am thinking the Blaze King and Buck Stoves might be too much fire power.
OK. This is good info. Thanks Glenn and Marc. The hearth shop we stopped at with the Heritage also suggested we don't need a liner like my chimney sweep. The line is definitely not for an fire place. It is a thimble about 8 ft off the ground. The diameter on the thimble is 7". If the thimble is 7 does that mean the line all the way up is 7 as well. Or does the diameter open up after you go in past the thimble and up? Not sure if I am making sense at this point.
The cautious side of me wants the liner. The shortage of funds is telling me to forego the liner. If I don't have it lined, can a sweep clean the existing tile chimney? Thanks guys!Sorry for the continued hijack Steve. But I know you located you stove so I don't feel as bad. ;-)
powhunter
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no prob bro.........any deals around on wood ? seems like the going rate is about 225 a cord
steveo
steveo
that is indeed the going rate.
That's what I've been seeing as of late. Make sure it truely is "seasoned" though. A lot of these guys have wood that's been sitting in log form for a few months and recently processed. That wood is going to be wet. Truely seasoned wood will have been cut, split and stacked for at least 6 months. Best thing to do would be to pick up a cheap moisture meature and when the wood is delivered, split a few peices and take a reading. If it's much higher than 20-25% moisture, it ain't seasoned.
OK. This is good info. Thanks Glenn and Marc. The hearth shop we stopped at with the Heritage also suggested we don't need a liner like my chimney sweep. The line is definitely not for an fire place. It is a thimble about 8 ft off the ground. The diameter on the thimble is 7". If the thimble is 7 does that mean the line all the way up is 7 as well. Or does the diameter open up after you go in past the thimble and up? Not sure if I am making sense at this point.
Sorry for the continued hijack Steve. But I know you located you stove so I don't feel as bad. ;-)
I'd assume it's 7" all the way up. Do you have a pic of the setup? Is it a masonary chimney?
Marc
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The Heritage is stone only. The enamel finish just refers to the cast iron frame. Mine is plain cast, which is why it looks dark gray. The stoves are built exactly the same. To get something that heats up faster, you need an all iron or steel stove. If it's going to be a 24/7 burner like you said, I'd definitely recommend the Heritage.
The best way to burn them, like I do, is you get them up to temp with small stuff, and get a good coal bed. Then load it up with cordwood (make sure your coal bed is deep and hot enough) and let it burn down to a coal bed again. Reload every 3 hours, sometimes stretch it to 4 if it's not too cold out. Stuff it full at night and still have a 200 degree stove in the morning with some good coals left to relight.
Marc
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OK. This is good info. Thanks Glenn and Marc. The hearth shop we stopped at with the Heritage also suggested we don't need a liner like my chimney sweep. The line is definitely not for an fire place. It is a thimble about 8 ft off the ground. The diameter on the thimble is 7". If the thimble is 7 does that mean the line all the way up is 7 as well. Or does the diameter open up after you go in past the thimble and up? Not sure if I am making sense at this point.
Sorry for the continued hijack Steve. But I know you located you stove so I don't feel as bad. ;-)
Tile lined chimneys, intact, are as safe or safer than an unlined chimney with a stainless insert liner. Liner inserts are meant really for unlined chimney, or the cases where someone wants to put a stove in a fireplace and existing lined flue is too big.
A sweep will clean a tile chimney, or you can do it yourself. It's really pretty easy. Brushes are cheap.
tree_skier
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run and buy it mine cost 2800 in the blue black(which is less then the brown) it is a great stove got it hooked up friday and have done the break in fires pics are coming
Marc
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Yup, that's a 7" flue, assuming it is square. The pictures almost make it look rectangular, but it could be just an illusion.
Marc
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Nice hearth by the way, must be good for a little thermal storage once it's all heated up.
Hmmm. After reading your post I measured it. It looks like 7 across the back, kinda hard to get all the way in there to measure. But I did measure the sides and they are 10" wide. Last I checked that was a rectangle... There is a clean out in the garage....
Thanks. Under that old propane stove in the pic is a black slate pad that more than meets the clearance. Just need to pop a tile or take a look underneath somehow to see what lies under the tile.
Was that an old fire place someone bricked over?
7"x10"? If so, that "may" be too wide. These modern stoves like a nice warm chimney with a flue that's the same size as the stove outlet.
Although, I'm one to talk. I'm a running 6" outlet on our Jotul to an 8" exterior SS Metalbestos. The guys on hearth were concerned with the setup. But it works! Since it's our weekend place, I didn't want to reinvent the wheel or drop another chunk of change to redo the chimney. I've had two "stack effect" smoke outs...the latest occuring last night. Gotta remember to make sure ALL windows are closed at our place before attempting to light the fire. ;-)
Oh, and that seems like a good deal on that stove! Those are nice units.
I've read the same stuff as you on keeping the flue size consistent. Hmmmm
tree_skier
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The instructions with my heritage said to have the flue size the same as the stove outlet for a proper draft ie the 6 inch outlet into a 6 inch flue. An 8 inch might work but you could have a creosote build up issue.
Marc
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I'm doubtful that it would cause creosote to build up, since creosote is only created by incomplete combustion. As long as you're burning dry wood in an EPA stove hot enough, there shouldn't be enough creosote produced to amount to much of anything. And one should be burning dry wood regardless. Perhaps for people that burn wet or junk wood and do create creosote, it would probably build up more in a wide flue with cooler gas temperatures. But like I said, if you're burning probably and safely like you should, that shouldn't be a worry.
I agree that 7 x 10 is probably too much though. I wouldn't worry about a 6" going into an 8"... VC stoves down to at least the Encore which is a small/medium size stove have 8" collars on them. Especially if the 8 is well insulated or an interior chimney. 7 x 10 though I would probably line. No sense in taking the chance of having low lying smoke around, or smoking out your neighbors.
tree_skier
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As a quote out of the manual
Make sure the size of the chimney’s flue is appropriate for
the Heritage. The Heritage requires a 6" (152 mm) inside
diameter flue for new installations. A 6” diameter flue
provides adequate draft and performance. You can use an
8" (203 mm) diameter existing flue with a reducer. An
oversized flue contributes to creosote accumulation. (In
this case, bigger is NOT better.)
http://www.hearthstonestoves.com/assets/files/document_library/Heritage8020Manual.pdf
page 10
Marc
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Right, but creosote can only accumulate if your wood burning appliance creates it. And EPA stoves burning seasoned wood shouldn't. At any rate, the point is moot, the flue shouldn't be drastically oversized to the point it won't draft well, since it creates lots of problems.
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