How stiff is your...................

[highpeaksdrifter]

I tried the Speedmachine 14 in the store one day, loved the fit and feel. If I saw them on Steep and Cheap or Tramdock, I would not hesitate. I did try the Nordica Supercharger Blower today, nice feel, but may be a bit on the narrow side for me. Hard to tell since they didn't have my size, I wear an 11.5 and the biggest they had was an 11. I know, I know, same thing, but my toes were hitting.

Both the Dobbie and Supercharger series don’t come in a half size. Keep in mine Andy that there really is no such thing as a half size in a ski boot. In an 11 and 11.5 the shell and the liner are the exact same size. The only difference in the 2 is the factory foot bed is slightly thicker (and I mean slightly) in the 11.5. Since you will probably replace the foot bed anyway it really doesn’t matter. IMO, it really doesn’t matter even if you don’t. They are the same boot.

Are you saying your toes where not touching the front of the liner in the 11.5 or are you talking about a shell fit? What is your street show size?

 

[andyzee]

Both the Dobbie and Supercharger series don’t come in a half size. Keep in mine Andy that there really is no such thing as a half size in a ski boot. In an 11 and 11.5 the shell and the liner are the exact same size. The only difference in the 2 is the factory foot bed is slightly thicker (and I mean slightly) in the 11.5. Since you will probably replace the foot bed anyway it really doesn’t matter. IMO, it really doesn’t matter even if you don’t. They are the same boot.

Are you saying your toes where not touching the front of the liner in the 11.5 or are you talking about a shell fit? What is your street show size?

I talking about the Supercharger Blower, the salesman told me that hey were not as wide as my Beasts, but I figured it doesn't cost to try them on. I tried and 11 since there is no 11.5, the width, although snug didn't seem bad, But my toes were hitting the tips, so it was hard to really tell how well they fit. I tired on a pair of other Supercharger, I believe they were the Spark, fit seemed good,but the flex seemed too low to me, they were an 11.5. My street shoe size is 13.

The Speed Machine 14, when I tried them last season, fit like gloves For now, I do not need boots, but do anticipate needing them by end of season. As a result I have an advantage in that I do not have to rush. I am trying different ones out and just waiting for the right price. Speed Machine 14s would be nice price just isn't right for now

 

[wa-loaf]

Nordica Hot Rods, flex 115. That's great for all mountain, but I'd like to go 130/150 for racing. Can't afford 2 pair of boots right now, but it would be cool to have a boot quiver.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I talking about the Supercharger Blower, the salesman told me that hey were not as wide as my Beasts, but I figured it doesn't cost to try them on. I tried and 11 since there is no 11.5, the width, although snug didn't seem bad, But my toes were hitting the tips, so it was hard to really tell how well they fit. I tired on a pair of other Supercharger, I believe they were the Spark, fit seemed good,but the flex seemed too low to me, they were an 11.5. My street shoe size is 13.

The Speed Machine 14, when I tried them last season, fit like gloves For now, I do not need boots, but do anticipate needing them by end of season. As a result I have an advantage in that I do not have to rush. I am trying different ones out and just waiting for the right price. Speed Machine 14s would be nice price just isn't right for now

You have a good feel. The Spark has a 100 MM last while the and the Blower is 98 mm. The Spark is a nice boot, but much softer.

The Blower is very similar fit to a Dobbie with a more confortable liner. What price point are you trying to hit?

 

[andyzee]

You have a good feel. The Spark has a 100 MM last while the and the Blower is 98 mm. The Spark is a nice boot, but much softer.

The Blower is very similar fit to a Dobbie with a more confortable liner. What price point are you trying to hit?

Being I'm in no rush, cheap as possible :lol: Since I do not desperately need, it would probably take finding a bargain of about $300. If I get to the point I do need, that changes to $500 - $600

 

[Madroch]

Lange wc 160 (130ish flex). Seem fine.. was hesitant to go this stiff but so far have been a joy everywhere- even the bumps.

 

[freebie]

I'm in an original pair of beasts too, I'm a little over 6' and 240, set on 110 they seem perfect for me if I want to lay back a little but when it's go time set em at 120 and let the boards rip, only have about 15 days on mine so not sure how fast they break down, how many days did you get out of yours?

 

[deadheadskier]

Wow. It is interesting how different people have different opinions. I freaking love the Krypton Pros. I have the soft tongue in, no rear cuff attachment and the 8mm forward lean wedge. I love being able to bend the boot forward that much. No more shin bang, but laterally the things are nice and stiff. Being only 170 lbs, my Speed Machine 12s didn't give all that much. The Krypton Pros with the soft set-up is great for me, but again, I'm 30+ lighter than you.

Never had shin bang even in the stiffest of bricks on my feet, but I've definitely heard/read from many that they appreciate not having that problem with their Kryptons. I definitely like them a lot, the fit is fantastic, they just feel way softer to me compared to my Dolomite's, which are rated 110. If I understand the boot correctly, with the cuff attachment, their supposed to be rated a 140. With that in, I can still bend the boot over way more than the Dolomite. It could just be that the flex is different all together because of the different shell design the Krypton has compared to a conventional overlap boot and I have yet to get used to it. We'll see, looking forward to having my feet in them tomorrow.

 

[Hawkshot99]

Both the Dobbie and Supercharger series don’t come in a half size.

Since you are a rep, I take your word, but I own a 27.5 in the Supercharger Enforcer, and had both the 27, and 27.5 Spark on my wall before selling them.

 

[Trekchick]

I have my Krypton Storms set up with a 90 flex and my Kryzma's set up with a 120 flex.

One for playing and bumping and one for attacking the mountain,eh?

 

[Philpug]

There is no standard for flex rating. One manufacturer's 100 might be another's 80 or another's 120. The flex is just for a point of reference in their own line.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Since you are a rep, I take your word, but I own a 27.5 in the Supercharger Enforcer, and had both the 27, and 27.5 Spark on my wall before selling them.

Hawk, here's a real brief article from Scarpa hyping their Intuition liners, but I think it supports what I said about half sizes.

The bootfitter I go too only stocks boots in half sizes cause he sees no point in having the same size boot with 2 different sizes.

http://thegoat.backcountry.com/blog/2007/01/15/scarpa-intuition-liners/

 

[andyzee]

There is no standard for flex rating. One manufacturer's 100 might be another's 80 or another's 120. The flex is just for a point of reference in their own line.

And a point of reference is a good thing.

Hawk, here's a real brief article from Scarpa hyping their Intuition liners, but I think it supports what I said about half sizes.

The bootfitter I go too only stocks boots in half sizes cause he sees no point in having the same size boot with 2 different sizes.

http://thegoat.backcountry.com/blog/2007/01/15/scarpa-intuition-liners/

Agree you with you about the half sizes 100%

 

[tcharron]

Being I'm in no rush, cheap as possible :lol: Since I do not desperately need, it would probably take finding a bargain of about $300. If I get to the point I do need, that changes to $500 - $600

Zimmermans has an outlet store in Amherst, NH. Last time I went in, (2 months ago or so?) they had some Atomic M90 and M100s off year down below 300. I've also had REAL good luck at Ken Jones/Proctor Jones in Nashua.

 

[tcharron]

I forgot to mention the most important. :-D

Atomic M100's here. Atomic does have 'funny' stiffness ratings. For instance, the B100's are supposed to have the same stiffness as the M100's, but trust me, they're not even close.

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

Fischer X-100..."100" flex index...but as already mentioned, there is no industry standard, just a ref point within a line. Someday there will likely be an industry standard like DIN settings, but we're not there yet.

 

[tjf67]

Flex ratings are not really very accurate as a measurement of boot stiffness because it is not a standardized rating. This is more an issue with the AT boot market as there is a major race to make stiffer boots that are still light enough for touring so flex rating is more marketing gimmick than fact. But the issue is still there for the alpine market as well.

My alpine boots are Salomon X-Wave 10s and they things are rocks. Very stiff. I tried skiing an X Wave 8 once and hated it. I would flex the boot and feel like I was going to go over the handle bars. Also didn't get the support when edging. Just sloppy. Stiffer the better for me.

Right on, Until there is a standard measurement it means nothing. Heck even boots within the same compnay but under different line are not measured the same.

 

[deadheadskier]

I have no idea. I currently ski Krypton Pro's with the stiff tongue in them. I'm actually considering putting in the back cuff attachment for tomorrow to make them as stiff as they go. There seems to be times where I flex them over far too much. Either I like a much stiffer boot than most or the Krypton wasn't designed with a 200 pound skier in mind. I really like them so far, but there are times where I go to drive forward in a turn and I almost feel like I'm going to flex them to the point I go over the handle bars.

perfect

put in the back cuff attachment for today. It stiffened things up just enough that I don't know the exact reason why or technical explanation, but I felt like I could 'stomp' on it a bit more in bigger turns and find that extra gear.

If I understand the boot right, by adding what I did, the flex is rated at 140. I still wouldn't call it stiff though in comparison to some race boots I've skied on over the years. As others have mentioned, no standardized rating across brands, so that explains why a 140 rating with Dalbello doesn't feel that stiff...at least to me anyway.

having a standardized flex rating would definitely help the new boot buying process.

 

[rueler]

Atomic RT 130 flex and Fischer MX 90 flex

I've been skiing the softer Fischer's lately because there's a bit more room in the toe box of the boot. It's given my "sixth toe" (bone spur on the right pinky) some much needed relief. I do miss the performance and fit I get out of the Atomics. The pain just isn't worth it right now.

 

[dmj]

Atomic Hawks 100 for me. My feet stay put!