drjeff
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dare I say many here couldn't tell(or maybe give a cr@p about) the differnce between a freshly tuned pair of skis and a pair with 20+ days on it
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Newly tuned skis are killing me!
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dare I say many here couldn't tell(or maybe give a cr@p about) the differnce between a freshly tuned pair of skis and a pair with 20+ days on it
mondeo
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Mogul skis. At least it used to be, need to see if that's changed with the higher sidecut skis and greater emphasis on carving nowadays.
Also, the tips and tails are likely to be on different slopes. Don't want the tip catching and trying to turn left while the tail is still hooked into a right turn.
I'd also like to point out that unless it's hardpack/ice, sharp edges don't mean a thing.
SkiFanE
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I did beer league for a couple years recently at WaWa. OMG...what a sight. As funny as they may look...those guys are fast. Nothing like seeing them peel it off upstairs after the race and witnessing that beer belly sprung free from it's spandex.
billski
Active member
dare I say many here couldn't tell(or maybe give a cr@p about) the differnce between a freshly tuned pair of skis and a pair with 20+ days on it
You've described me! I have enough trouble staying upright on skis!
gmcunni
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dare I say many here couldn't tell(or maybe give a cr@p about) the differnce between a freshly tuned pair of skis and a pair with 20+ days on it
i kind of care. i'm one of those people who self-criticizes as i ski. i;m currently very hard on myself with regard to skidding my turns. i know it is likely more my technique but i find it easier to justify that my skis aren't as sharp as they should be which is why i can't hold an edge on hard pack.
when i was in CO and skiing packed pow i thought i had my skis dialed in great. two days later i was skiing back in the east and amazed at how my edged had dulled in such a short period.
drjeff
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So much of what I find is the key to success for hard snow turn success, vs the ease of soft snow turns has to do with what happens 1st, the rolling onto the edge before weighting the ski vs. weighting the ski before rolling onto the edge (this is something that most folks when carving do *almost* simultaneously)
If you make a few "practice" turns on easier terrain, harder snow where you purposely roll onto the inside edge of your downhill ski 1st (I mean over do it, roll the knee in, SET that edge while having 50/50 weighting of both skis) and then add the pressure to the downhill ski, you'll see how that edge hooks up (almost reguardless of it's sharpness on all but the most bullet proof of surfaces) and then makes a clean turn. Whereas if you start the weighting first and then try and roll onto that edge, sometimes you'll pull off a clean carve, sometimes its skid city(especially on harder surfaces). On softer snow, you can get away with weighting 1st and still pull off a clean turn most of the time. On harder snow, having that edge in proper position to bite into the snow before you weight it makes a big difference.
When it's happening at speed, you're talking about something that happens (the early angulation of the knee to roll onto the edge) in under a second when you've got the technique dialed in. If you get the chance to watch a worldcup race on TV, and they goto to a slow-mo replay of the racers making their turns(the good turns, not the oh sh$t I'm about to crash turns :lol: ), watch the angle of the ski gets set before you see any snow spray (not that they leave alot of it) come off the ski. It's edge set, then pressure
hammer
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I know those kind of turns all too well...had my share of those running gates.
Regarding tunes, the main difference I could tell was that, after cooking a coat of the right kind of wax on my bases, that they weren't as grabby. I'd have to admit though that for me it's more about the technique than the tune.
gmcunni
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i'm just going to move out west where the snow is always soft
what you say sounds logical but being an old dog, i learn new tricks slowly. i'll try to apply this next time out and see what happens.
Puck it
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Who the f'ing cares whether you tune, detune, carve, skid. Are you f'ing having fun? Just ski.
To many armchair quarterbacks around, you can't do this, can't do that. You don't know what you are doing. Give advice and don't criticize.
To many armchair quarterbacks around, you can't do this, can't do that. You don't know what you are doing. Give advice and don't criticize.
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gmcunni
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i care. part of the enjoyment i get out of skiing is to push myself and improve.
Puck it
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That is great. I do too. But I try not to tell people that you don't know what you are, do not listen to him.
Yes you seem like your really light hearted and always having fun...lol
Puck it
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I am. Loving screwing with people. But I do not go around telling people that they do not their arse from a hole in the ground like some do. Unless it is dmc, just screwing with you man.
Way to many pontificating arses, spewing drabble, that is what PO's me. Just do not slam when someone is trying to help. It happens a lot around here. Just how I read a lot of these posts.
Im sick of the bickering..spent some time in TGR and its like everyone has lost any sense of decency for the sake of trying to be funny.
Tuning is part of skiing. If you dont know that, you are really limiting your ability to progress. I spend alot of quality time with my bench consuming hops, filing, scraping and enjoying the tunes
Quite often im skiing and see people skidding down the hill and im able to just rip the same conditions. To not give a @#$% about tuning or say that its not important is misinformation:beer:
Tuning is part of skiing. If you dont know that, you are really limiting your ability to progress. I spend alot of quality time with my bench consuming hops, filing, scraping and enjoying the tunes
Quite often im skiing and see people skidding down the hill and im able to just rip the same conditions. To not give a @#$% about tuning or say that its not important is misinformation:beer:
billski
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Hi Morwax, A Big Welcome!.
Reasonable people can have reasonable discussions. Benefits everyone. Looking forward to your contributions.
Signed,
Billski, a lowly contributor.
Puck it
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So, you are carving and the the others are skidding. Who cares. Bet they are having fun. I am not saying tuning is not important for you or me, but for some people, it is not. And it is not misinformation. Some people do nt want to progress they are in the comfort zone so. My point is nobody is right or wrong about how they want their skis tuned. You like yours your way and I like mine another way. It is not wrong, but a lot of people tend to slam for differing points of view when it is a personal preference thing.
goldsbar
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Everyone's pissy from the NCP. Assuming you do want sharp edges - this is a northeast forum - Isn't the lesson from all this to:
1. Don't let anyone mess with your ride. Stay away from shops. This isn't the first post like this.
2. Buy a file, diamond stones (100,200, 400-1200 depending how crazy mirror like you want to go), vice & side edge guide (2* or 3* is fine; I prefer the SVST non adjustable guides but suppose plastic do it alls will work).
3. Learn how to tune. Check Epic forums or youtube videos. (Hint - never touch your base edge with anything more than a light stone unless you know what you're doing).
4. Experiment. I never dull edges but could see it being useful for certain bump skiing conditions.
1. Don't let anyone mess with your ride. Stay away from shops. This isn't the first post like this.
2. Buy a file, diamond stones (100,200, 400-1200 depending how crazy mirror like you want to go), vice & side edge guide (2* or 3* is fine; I prefer the SVST non adjustable guides but suppose plastic do it alls will work).
3. Learn how to tune. Check Epic forums or youtube videos. (Hint - never touch your base edge with anything more than a light stone unless you know what you're doing).
4. Experiment. I never dull edges but could see it being useful for certain bump skiing conditions.
Hear!! Hear!!
Absolutely, especially the consuming the hops and listening to the tunes part. It is a lot of fun and a complete ritual. And when you get it all just right, when you can carve on the blue pond ice patches yet smoke everyone on the flats without any effort at all ... it just makes your day. There's nothing like well prepared skis.
Scruffy
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You seem to have a "BONE" to pick with this issue. "Methinks the lady doth protest too much". What happened ? some ski coach stick a file up your arse for not tuning your skis when you where a wee lad or lase?
Look if you want to skid around on rounded edges, go for it, have all the f@%king fun you want. Hell .. run your $1200 skis over bare rocks and really F@#K them up, then ski down Vermont blue ice if that makes you happy; just don't skid into anyone on the way. No one is saying YOU are not doing it correctly. What some are offering to others that are willing to learn is adivce that could enhance their skiing experience. If you are completly satisfied with your skiing experience, then by all means, "keep on truckin"
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