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Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke
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abc
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"Down here" you mean metro NY/NJ area, it's not even Jay's target audience.
Jay is a whole lot closer to Montreal, and more reasonably accessible from Boston. From New York/New Jersey? Forget about it!
mister moose
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Minor point, but why does 25% less efficient keep getting bantered about? The normal car will still take 60, and the water tank car is the one reduced to 45 for the weight of the tank, correct? So it will be 12.5% less efficient?
No...based on what is written in the contract the new limit will be 45.
Here's the section from the contract:
mister moose
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So either I missed that, or it's new information. What I remember reading was that the Tram had been operating overweight due to the weight of the water tank, and capacity would be reduced. Now the requirement is both to remove the water tank for passenger operations, and reduce the capacity. This is after inspect/repair the footings, towers, anchors, basically everything. So where is the reason for the load capacity reduction coming from if the design load remains the same? The carriers are heavier to carry the same load as the old ones?
Based on the weights listed, after subtracting the weight of the cabin, hanger, and carrier you are left with a max of 3548 kg (7822 lbs) for load. To get to the 46 number, it looks like they are using an estimate of 170 lbs/person (and that needs to include the weight of skis).
from_the_NEK
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Exactly what I was going to say.
How many people in Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine know or care that there is (or was?) a chairlift along the boardwalk in Atlantic City. No less one doesn't even serve any vertical drop!
from_the_NEK
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170 average may sound low but there are often a lot of (sub-100lbs) kids on there too.
BenedictGomez
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Exactly correct; which is why it's not iconic.
People in Florida have never heard of Jay Peak either, but many know that Mad River Glen is a ski resort.
You're absolutely right that kids help balance it out, but that number is actually a bit concerning when you think about it for the times there aren't a lot of kids. I'm pretty much right at the average and know many people that are certainly heavier than me. This could be some sort of industry standard number that is always used though, so I'm just going to assume/hope the people that wrote the contract know what they are doing.
fbrissette
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Bad choice of State.
Thanks to Ariel Quiros and Bill Stenger, a shit load of people in Florida have now heard of Jay Peak. Notwithstanding the SEC case filed in Florida, you forget that there are around 500000 (yes 500k) French Canadians vacationing or taking winter residence in Florida (I'm not sure why but that's beside the point).
And to think that Floridians know about Mad River Glen is absurd. Most of them barely know what snow is.
BenedictGomez
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Because Canadians think that if you're good, when you die you go to Florida.
I'm fairly certain the majority of readers (like 99.9%) realize this, but the use of "Florida" was meant as a facetious example, and not a metaphysical fact beyond any scrutiny.
I could just as easily said "Iowa" or "North Carolina" - but the point remains, Mad River Glen as a ski area is far more well-known than Jay Peak, local geographical biases notwithstanding.
Can someone remind me again why we are comparing lifts at Jay and MRG and even more so why it matters which lift is more iconic, (which is a fairly incalculable metric)?
Two completely different lifts with different business plans at two different resorts that couldn't be any more different other than residing in the same state.
Two completely different lifts with different business plans at two different resorts that couldn't be any more different other than residing in the same state.
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jaytrem
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Two of my neighbors in NJ went to Jay in the last couple years (not together). Both families that do the once a year ski trip. They both mentioned the water park. I'm not sure how they initially learned about Jay, could be word of mouth or marketing.
from_the_NEK
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Because BG is bound and determined to convince everyone that the tram at Jay is the stupidest thing ever and that we are idiots for thinking otherwise.
If people in Jersey haven't heard about it, it must be it doesn't exist right?
Of course!
LONGBOARDR
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Jeez,
A lot of Sturm and Drang about an inanimate object.
Yes the tram is not efficient and is costing a lot of money to fix.
But since expansion, it is used by many visitors year round whether they are skiers, water parkers, golfers, hockey people or leaf peepers. Additionally it is nice that physically challenged people riding the tram get to see what all of us may take for granted from time to time. A beautiful mountain range and incredible views.
Jay is on the mend, el nino is dying and it will be a good winter in the east, enjoy.
A lot of Sturm and Drang about an inanimate object.
Yes the tram is not efficient and is costing a lot of money to fix.
But since expansion, it is used by many visitors year round whether they are skiers, water parkers, golfers, hockey people or leaf peepers. Additionally it is nice that physically challenged people riding the tram get to see what all of us may take for granted from time to time. A beautiful mountain range and incredible views.
Jay is on the mend, el nino is dying and it will be a good winter in the east, enjoy.
dlague
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Good points! It is a hallmark of sorts for them.
drjeff
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From the NEK beat me to this sentiment - the fact that BG admitted a page or 2 ago that his brain likely can't realistically grasp the big picture concept here, also helps explain the tangential nature of this thread recently
I thought New Yorkers retired in Florida, not Canadians.
