2021-22 Season Passes

[NYDB]

I agree it would be nice for Alterra to let us 'buy' on 3/11 and start spring skiing if you have already deferred. I mean they already have our money and we did lose out on last spring. Just apply the balance when we buy. Kind of silly the way they have it setup.

It actually says on the website that if you deferred your 20/21 pass and buy your 21/22 pass before 4/18 you lose your deferral credit. I mean, come on. That's a bit harsh.

However, If I can get vaccinated I might take a trip to CA end of april. Mammoth and Squaw spring skiing would be a nice week.

 

[abc]

It actually says on the website that if you deferred your 20/21 pass and buy your 21/22 pass before 4/18 you lose your deferral credit. I mean, come on. That's a bit harsh.

Agree. It sounds cheap.

 

[thetrailboss]

I agree it would be nice for Alterra to let us 'buy' on 3/11 and start spring skiing if you have already deferred. I mean they already have our money and we did lose out on last spring. Just apply the balance when we buy. Kind of silly the way they have it setup.

It actually says on the website that if you deferred your 20/21 pass and buy your 21/22 pass before 4/18 you lose your deferral credit. I mean, come on. That's a bit harsh.

However, If I can get vaccinated I might take a trip to CA end of april. Mammoth and Squaw spring skiing would be a nice week.

Wow. That is lame. I guess I understand the point that, for accounting purposes, one's pass was "inactive" for this season so it is not a renewal as opposed to a new customer, but that seems really harsh. It just goes to show that the ONLY concern Alterra has is ITS money. Service is not important. It's a race to the bottom.

 

[thetrailboss]

Steamboat is limited access only also. So I don't expect it to be on the list. Who would want to blow their days at Steamboat in the spring?

I didn't realize Copper isn't owned by Alterra. It's unlimited access so I assumed...


I kind of doubt the shitshow will continue into April though.

Wow. I just reviewed the IKON page and you're right. Copper is listed as unlimited. That is really weird. Did POWDR sell it to Alterra? And, another POWDR Resort, Eldora, is also unlimited. That is really weird.

I also see that Blue Mountain, ON is unlimited but it does not appear to be an Alterra owned resort.

 

[jimmywilson69]

maybe Powder is trying to draw in more business to complete with the primarily EPIC summit county.

 

[Smellytele]

maybe Powder is trying to draw in more business to complete with the primarily EPIC summit county.

So are they getting a bigger piece of the kitty to be unlimited then? If not why do it?

 

[jimmywilson69]

lodging F&B? I Don't know... I've never skied Copper, so I can't speak to how crowded it is

 

[thetrailboss]

So are they getting a bigger piece of the kitty to be unlimited then? If not why do it?

Must be. Despite all the issues with traffic in LCC, I was told that John Cumming "loves" IKON and is making money off of it. I don't understand how it is working financially. It would seem to me that compensation from IKON would be less than from a passholder to the mountain. Apparently POWDR does not care about selling season passes. That seems like a risk to me.

 

[Smellytele]

Must be. Despite all the issues with traffic in LCC, I was told that John Cumming "loves" IKON and is making money off of it. I don't understand how it is working financially. It would seem to me that compensation from IKON would be less than from a passholder to the mountain. Apparently POWDR does not care about selling season passes. That seems like a risk to me.

But would an IKON pass holder buy a season pass to Snowbird or Alta? Someone buying a season pass to those places would still so this is added money unless they are losing season pass holders because of crowding issues.

 

[thetrailboss]

But would an IKON pass holder buy a season pass to Snowbird or Alta? Someone buying a season pass to those places would still so this is added money unless they are losing season pass holders because of crowding issues.

Losing passholders to IKON IS what is happening here in SLC. That's because a fair number of folks who would normally buy a pass now buy IKON instead. Which makes you wonder if even then the IKON is making up for that difference. Apparently it must be. I say that because I would presume that a passholder would be paying a higher amount to the ski area per skier day than someone who visits 5 or 7 days.

 

[Smellytele]

Losing passholders to IKON IS what is happening here in SLC. That's because a fair number of folks who would normally buy a pass now buy IKON instead. Which makes you wonder if even then the IKON is making up for that difference. Apparently it must be. I say that because I would presume that a passholder would be paying a higher amount to the ski area per skier day than someone who visits 5 or 7 days.

Is there actual numbers on this or is this what you perceive to be happening?

 

[cdskier]

Wow. That is lame. I guess I understand the point that, for accounting purposes, one's pass was "inactive" for this season so it is not a renewal as opposed to a new customer, but that seems really harsh. It just goes to show that the ONLY concern Alterra has is ITS money. Service is not important. It's a race to the bottom.

I somewhat disagree. The rules were that you had until April 11th to choose to defer your pass this year if it was unused. I can understand therefore that they don't wan to allow you to start using a deferred pass prior to that point. They had to make a cut-off. Someone made an argument about losing spring access last year...well everyone did. So that is pretty irrelevant.

Wow. I just reviewed the IKON page and you're right. Copper is listed as unlimited. That is really weird. Did POWDR sell it to Alterra? And, another POWDR Resort, Eldora, is also unlimited. That is really weird.

I also see that Blue Mountain, ON is unlimited but it does not appear to be an Alterra owned resort.

Nope, Powdr didn't sell. I'd be interested in knowing the reason as well why they're unlimited. Both Copper and Eldora were unlimited this year as well, so it isn't a change.

As for Blue, it has been an Alterra owned resort since day 1 of Alterra.

Losing passholders to IKON IS what is happening here in SLC. That's because a fair number of folks who would normally buy a pass now buy IKON instead. Which makes you wonder if even then the IKON is making up for that difference. Apparently it must be. I say that because I would presume that a passholder would be paying a higher amount to the ski area per skier day than someone who visits 5 or 7 days.

If you have enough people with an unlimited Alta/Bird pass switching to Ikon where they only get 5/7 days, wouldn't that drive down crowds at Alta/Bird (or at least somewhat off-set any increase from Ikon people who weren't Alta/Bird passholders previously)?

 

[icecoast1]

As I am considering move from Epic to Ikon - How have crowds at Stratton compared to those at Mt Snow and Okemo? And is it just the Gondola or a subset of lifts or are they all bad?

Also considering ORDA - presume crowds better at Gore?

And what is Magic Sunday?

Stratton was the original weekend shitshow in Southern Vermont. Now Mount Snow is just as bad.

Magic can be pretty bad at times but tolerable. Definitely the only place in SO. Vt I'd even consider going on the weekend. Once they get new black going, that will be a total game changer too

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

Stratton was the original weekend shitshow in Southern Vermont. Now Mount Snow is just as bad.

Magic can be pretty bad at times but tolerable. Definitely the only place in SO. Vt I'd even consider going on the weekend. Once they get new black going, that will be a total game changer too

Thanks - I can handle Mt Snow this year so not so concerned - just stay away from base. Plus lines will likely go down next year with less spacing of people on lifts.

 

[thetrailboss]

Nope, Powdr didn't sell. I'd be interested in knowing the reason as well why they're unlimited. Both Copper and Eldora were unlimited this year as well, so it isn't a change.

As for Blue, it has been an Alterra owned resort since day 1 of Alterra.

Good to know. I did not know anything about Blue.

If you have enough people with an unlimited Alta/Bird pass switching to Ikon where they only get 5/7 days, wouldn't that drive down crowds at Alta/Bird (or at least somewhat off-set any increase from Ikon people who weren't Alta/Bird passholders previously)?

One would think that but that's not what we are seeing on the ground.

 

[thetrailboss]

Is there actual numbers on this or is this what you perceive to be happening?

Alterra does not release numbers so we can't say. That said, anecdotally that is what we are seeing and hearing. I rode the lift with a long-time DV skier last weekend who said that the biggest change he had seen was that almost everyone who skis DV now is from SLC and has an IKON pass.

 

[icecoast1]

Thanks - I can handle Mt Snow this year so not so concerned - just stay away from base. Plus lines will likely go down next year with less spacing of people on lifts.

It's probably going to get worse in terms of lines once travel restrictions ease a bit and more people go. Chairs will start going up full again but that will be negated by the extra people, although you are probably better off staying there vs going to Stratton

 

[machski]

Wow. I just reviewed the IKON page and you're right. Copper is listed as unlimited. That is really weird. Did POWDR sell it to Alterra? And, another POWDR Resort, Eldora, is also unlimited. That is really weird.

I also see that Blue Mountain, ON is unlimited but it does not appear to be an Alterra owned resort.

Not really weird. Alterra looked at their competition (Vail with Epic) in Colorado and realized with only Winter Park on the I-70 close in corridor that would be unlimited (Aspen was always planned as a higher end limited destination and I think still owned by Crowne more than it is Alterra and Steamboat is a bit too far to be considered I-70) they would need more. So right off the bat, Eldora and Copper were unlimited on Ikon. Alterra must have cut a deal with Powdr for that type of access, likely a higher revenue flow for that. But without, I doubt Ikon would have had much interest from the Denver I-70 crowd compared to Epic. And remember, A-Basin was on Epic and unlimited to boot when Ikon launched.

 

[abc]

Not really weird. Alterra looked at their competition (Vail with Epic) in Colorado and realized with only Winter Park on the I-70 close in corridor that would be unlimited (Aspen was always planned as a higher end limited destination and I think still owned by Crowne more than it is Alterra and Steamboat is a bit too far to be considered I-70) they would need more. So right off the bat, Eldora and Copper were unlimited on Ikon. Alterra must have cut a deal with Powdr for that type of access, likely a higher revenue flow for that. But without, I doubt Ikon would have had much interest from the Denver I-70 crowd compared to Epic. And remember, A-Basin was on Epic and unlimited to boot when Ikon launched.

Jeez! That's a really complicated and convoluted way of looking at the Colorado situation.

The simple fact is, before Alterra came along, there used to be a Rocky Mountain Super Pass Plus, which includes unlimited access to Copper, WP, Eldora, with a 7 day access to Steamboat! Alterra simply took over that which formed the core of is Colorado portfolio.

How do I know? I used to be a RMSP+ holder for many years, until it was discontinued and replaced by IKON. Almost all of my ski buddies in Summit county also hold RMSP+ year after year too.

 

[Okemo max guy]

Found this... I was hoping a bit cheaper. Hopefully know more soon and I hope it has IKON full pass opportunity on it