Smellytele
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Anyone biting?
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from_the_NEK
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Damn it, I had a long post all typed up and then overwrote it with a quote... :angry:
I really don't think the terrain in East Bowl would be any better for building "good top to bottom mellow blue cruisers" than the rest of the mountain. The upper part of the bowl is pretty steep. Any trails coming off of the upper traverse would likely be steep enough to be Black at the top and then Blue down lower. The easiest way to get a Blue trail over there would be to widen and homogenize the actual East Bowl trail. I hate to say it but if sacrificing the East Bowl trail to the Blue Cruiser crowd so that the rest of the bowl stays glades, then I'm up for it. I may also be willing to sacrifice Caveman on the other side of the bowl as well (a narrower version of the "E8" trail on the Act250 plan). The liftline would cut the current glade in two anyway. This would make a good trail to connect the East Bowl pod to Upper Dipper .
That makes a lot of sense.
If they leave the Willoughby quad where it is, it will sit there and rust into a worthless piece of junk. It is too redundant, if that makes any sense.
I really don't think the terrain in East Bowl would be any better for building "good top to bottom mellow blue cruisers" than the rest of the mountain. The upper part of the bowl is pretty steep. Any trails coming off of the upper traverse would likely be steep enough to be Black at the top and then Blue down lower. The easiest way to get a Blue trail over there would be to widen and homogenize the actual East Bowl trail. I hate to say it but if sacrificing the East Bowl trail to the Blue Cruiser crowd so that the rest of the bowl stays glades, then I'm up for it. I may also be willing to sacrifice Caveman on the other side of the bowl as well (a narrower version of the "E8" trail on the Act250 plan). The liftline would cut the current glade in two anyway. This would make a good trail to connect the East Bowl pod to Upper Dipper .
That makes a lot of sense.
If they leave the Willoughby quad where it is, it will sit there and rust into a worthless piece of junk. It is too redundant, if that makes any sense.
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kingdom-tele
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NEK - could easily make the upper bowl blue terrain.
Switchback, switchback, switchback. Would maximize trees cut and maximize acreage for marketability.
homogenized. The new black.
PS:good luck this weekend.
Switchback, switchback, switchback. Would maximize trees cut and maximize acreage for marketability.
homogenized. The new black.
PS:good luck this weekend.
from_the_NEK
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Intermediates don't like switchbacks. They like to be able to see the bottom of the trail from the top. That way they know what they are gettingn into.
kingdom-tele
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mirrors at the turns?
funhouse style.
funhouse style.
from_the_NEK
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As long as there is a second mirror for the Bogner crowd to admire their technique in.
Yeah I agree. Back to future by having a lift there like back in the day. Honestly, when Jay replaces the Jet, refurbish that lift and install it on the old Dipper Lift Line. Done. Good call on redundancy as well. I also have a strong hunch that when they go to consider moving the Willoughby they will find that the cost will be a lot more than they think because a lot of the components will need to be upgraded due to code or technology. That is already a retrofitted double that was done in, what, 1989 or so? Still, an oldie but a goodie!
And those mirrors need to make the skiers look thinner, younger, and faster. I'm sure that FTN is getting to work on those!
from_the_NEK
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Has Fixed Grip technology changed that much? The only features remaining from the double are the lift towers correct? And as long as those are solid they should be reusable on the new line (assuming the tower heights are compatible with the new line's geometry).
Actually moving the lift shouldn't be that hard. The existing summit terminal is only about 300 ft from the new location. A plan for flying towers from their current location to a location on the new line may also be doable. Again, depending on geometry, a few tower tops/sheave trains may need to be mixed and matched with the towers to make it work.
And again, on the topic of a lift on the old Dipper line. I know I panned the idea in the past, but when East Bowl is taken into account, it does make sense.
Theoretically, that line could be extended up across Big Dipper to just behind the pavilion. This would add 260+ feet of vert to the lift and provide access to the trails below Doug's Drop (and even Lower Warren's way). Throbulator would also be accessable. However, this would also add 1000' feet of liftline length to a likely fixed grip lift making the entire line roughly 3000' long. Would people deal with the extra 2-3 minutes of lift ride time for the extra terrain options? Additionally, getting up to that ridge of Big Dipper potentially opens up the lift to a lot more wind issues.
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From what I understand they'd be looking at having to replace some of the towers, upgrade the sheeve trains and safety equipment/safety breakers, upgrade the drive, the line (of course), as well as some other electrical components. So what would probably get transferred would be the carriers, some towers that were reinforced, some cross-arms, the base terminal, the summit bullwheel, which is new, and probably a few other components.
from_the_NEK
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I would still think that would be quite a bit cheaper than buying a new lift.
I think there would be some cost savings, but maybe not as much as they'd hope.
from_the_NEK
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New mountainside windows and seating in The Bear Den. Is this a temporary investment or does it mean something else for the future of the Bear Den?
From Burke's Facebook page:
From Burke's Facebook page:
Those new windows look nice. If they are going to keep Mid-Burke, it will need a tremendous amount of work. I imagine that they will try to incorporate this into some other building.
And here is the Cal Rec on the opening: http://caledonianrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=180&SubSectionID=778&ArticleID=87391
And here is the Cal Rec on the opening: http://caledonianrecord.com/main.asp?SectionID=180&SubSectionID=778&ArticleID=87391
from_the_NEK
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I think the lodge part will see the wreckingball. As we have discussed, the Bear Den shouldn't be too hard to move and/or fix-up.
My wishes concerning the Bear Den:
#1. Keep it! Even if it has to be moved somewhere.
#2. Make sure the fireplace keeps burning real wood. These gas fireplaces that Jay keeps inserting at that mtn make things feel fake. I don't care what the fire marshall says, there has to be a loophole for a historic building. There has been a wood fire in that fireplace for how many years without an issue? If cutting firewood is an issue, I'm sure a small legion of bar patrons would be happy to spend an afternoon cutting a splitting a firewood store for the winter.
BenedictGomez
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So true. It's so incredibly obvious isnt it? You walk into a place that has a genuine fire now (restaurants, etc...) and it just puts a smile on your face. Sometimes the small things in life matter. Dont even get me started on Duraflame logs. lol
tarponhead
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My sources tell me that Stenger is proposing and indoor mountain biking park and tennis court for Burke. And that RFID may be coming as soon as next year....
Indeed, I don't disagree with the improved-tone a natural fire sets vs that of a propane fired option but turning deaf to the Fire Marshall, in general, isn't a particularly good long term strategy.
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