Big Burke announcement

[from_the_NEK]

I wonder if Stenger is trying to wrestle some of the tennis market away from Top Notch in Stowe? Top Notch has 6 outdoor and 4 indoor courts.
How big would a "tennis facility" have to be? The outdoor side by side 4 court setup at LSC is roughly 200x125, and Top Notch's building is 212x120.
The diving angle is a bit out of left field, but if you have the money to build a big fancy pool, you might as well make it unique.

 

[from_the_NEK]

This is the part I am most interested in.

Yep... I wish the Cal-Rec would have included some more details/pictures about that. I'll have to inquire with my sources to see if they know any details

 

[BenedictGomez]

The diving angle is a bit out of left field

Which is par for the course lately.

I mean, they're going to try to establish a biotech research + manufacturing plant in the middle of nowhere...... for technology that AFAIK isnt FDA approved yet, and research that is highly experimental. Fingers crossed and everything, but I dont see that ending well.

 

[AdironRider]

Diving, seriously?

As a competitive swimmer and coach for over two decades, anyone whos anyone knows divers are flakes and primarily consist of the weird kids who need to fulfill an athletic credit or something. There are very few competitive, SERIOUS, divers out there. Not to knock those that are, its a very intricate sport, but the overall majority just dont give a rip.

Furthermore, why would any diver actually worth his salt go to Burke when if they really are that serious, they're in Cali, Texas, or AZ training with the best coaches in the world.

I thought they had lost it with 4 hotels with sub 100k skier visits, now its just confirmed theyve jumped the shark and all the "found money" they have in EB-5 and jading their business sense. Diving, sweet jesus.

 

[from_the_NEK]

Tell us what you REALLY think :lol::lol:

 

[gregnye]

Diving, seriously?

"Build it and they shall come"--thats what they learned from the Jay Peak Waterpark. However, both Jay Peak and Burke should keep in mind that building more lifts and trails would also make more people come.

 

[AdironRider]

"Build it and they shall come"--thats what they learned from the Jay Peak Waterpark. However, both Jay Peak and Burke should keep in mind that building more lifts and trails would also make more people come.

I had no qualms with the waterpark. THey deserve props for that one.

But diving has a much smaller potential clientel pool than some kick ass waterslides. Lets be real here.

 

[thetrailboss]

I had no qualms with the waterpark. THey deserve props for that one.

But diving has a much smaller potential clientel pool than some kick ass waterslides. Lets be real here.

I agree with this. The waterpark has done phenominally well, all things considered. But competitive diving? Mountain biking, yes. No brainer there. Tennis, meh. I just hope that they are not going too far out on a limb here. Keep it real, keep it Burke. Good skiing, good biking, add nice accomodations.

 

[AdironRider]

Completely agree. While at first I wasnt sold on the MTB aspect being enough to fill the hotels, but in retrospect, thats a pretty solid plan. THe bike scene is gear hungry, and usually pretty well off, and history has shown they do spend dough.

Divers though? Theres zero gear involved to sell retail. Again, most divers arent traveling to try a 10m high dive, well beacuse, its no different than the 10m closer to them. Diving is not a destination sport in the least.

I can even see the tennis argument, Muffy and Duffy and all their sorority sisters can come and play, even better in those tight ass skirts. Its a well to do sport.

Again, diving?

 

[from_the_NEK]

Maybe instaed of diving they should build a freestyle ramp into a bubble pool like Lake Placid has, but inside.

 

[AdironRider]

Maybe instaed of diving they should build a freestyle ramp into a bubble pool like Lake Placid has, but inside.

That would be kickass. I make the journey to the ones down near SLC usually once a year or so.

 

[from_the_NEK]

That would be kickass. I make the journey to the ones down near SLC usually once a year or so.

There I go coming up with good idea again that is likely to show up in the next set of revised plans :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[riverc0il]

Diving?

Worked at Jay. Who would have thunk an Ice Rink in the middle of no where in the NEK would have been so successful? Slap a top notch facility onto a resort and look to attract off season and year round visitors.

So long Burke, it was nice knowing you while you were an old school classic ski area. Unlike Jay, which was already a resort, any major base area development at Burke will alter the nature and feel of the place. Diving center, aquatic center, Olympic pool, and tennis courts? At least the mountain bike park fits with Kingdom Trails. The rest of it seems like a bit much. This stuff all seems like the antithesis of a quiet, low key, classic, and old school ski area... so I am sure they will all be widely successful.

 

[Smellytele]

As for the diving maybe Lyndon State is going to start a dive team

 

[AdironRider]

Worked at Jay. Who would have thunk an Ice Rink in the middle of no where in the NEK would have been so successful? Slap a top notch facility onto a resort and look to attract off season and year round visitors.

So long Burke, it was nice knowing you while you were an old school classic ski area. Unlike Jay, which was already a resort, any major base area development at Burke will alter the nature and feel of the place. Diving center, aquatic center, Olympic pool, and tennis courts? At least the mountain bike park fits with Kingdom Trails. The rest of it seems like a bit much. This stuff all seems like the antithesis of a quiet, low key, classic, and old school ski area... so I am sure they will all be widely successful.

I think comparing hockey from a New England state (let alone one spitting distance from Canada) to a diving facilty seems like a bit of a stretch. Outside of the severe northern Midwest, the Northeast is hockeytown USA.

 

[thetrailboss]

Maybe instaed of diving they should build a freestyle ramp into a bubble pool like Lake Placid has, but inside.

+1

 

[thetrailboss]

I think comparing hockey from a New England state (let alone one spitting distance from Canada) to a diving facilty seems like a bit of a stretch. Outside of the severe northern Midwest, the Northeast is hockeytown USA.

+ 1. There was a major need for a rink. The nearest ones are in Stanstead and Lyndon and those two are packed all the time with games and kids programs. Jay was a ahead of the curve on that one. They now do hockey camps there and lots of other programs. Makes sense since their clientele is Canadian and they have lodging right there. Perfect.

 

[thetrailboss]

As for the diving maybe Lyndon State is going to start a dive team

I don't think that LSC has the interest, let alone the money, to do that.

 

[AdironRider]

I don't think that LSC has the interest, let alone the money, to do that.

Swim programs are constant money losers for schools. Outside of the big meets, noone comes to watch, if any come at all. It would be a tough sell.

Also, most schools in Lyndon's size and caliber scope swim in 25 yard pools. (Most d3 colleges do, as well as plenty of D1 & D2 schools as well. A 50 meter pool would be overkill.

 

[from_the_NEK]

And just to muddy the water some more on the aquatics facility, LSC already has a 25 yard 8 lane pool that I believe is rather under utilized.

http://www.northernarchitects.com/Images & Graphics/ShapePool.jpg