Bindings for mogul skis

[tekweezle]

when you get the binding mounted, do you go for the forward/pipe, neutral/all mountain or rear position and why?

 

[Trekchick]

I mounted mine +2

 

[tekweezle]

any reason for that other than it just seems to work for you? was it recommended? is there some technical reason for it? i know mounting forward of the centerline is supposed to let you initiate turns quicker which sounds like a good attribute to have in the moguls.

reason I ask is that I currently use Tyrolia railflex bindings on my scream ltd skis(80 mm waist) and i know the the lifter plate is not ideal for freestyle use. i experimented with moving my bindings back and forth on my last trip. I usually ski in the neutral all mountain position and it works fairly well. i moved my binding backwards -15mm and i perceived that I could turn quicker and tighter, was more stable in powder and soft big moguls. seemed like I could pivot faster too.

I then tried moving my bindings to the forward position(+15mm) and maybe I just wasn;t used to it but I found way too forward on the skis to be comfortable and making longer turns by letting the skis run more(not by choice)and having the tails of my skis getting in the way or hitting the back side of even the slightest variable crud and terrain feature. i decided not to bother experimenting much more with this position.

 

[Trekchick]

Honestly, I went with the recommendation of the Hart Rep and Michelle Roark, who skis on Hart F17's.

I'm not sure if its a Hart specific recommendation or a Mogul Ski Recommendation.
Perhaps Philpug will see this and chime in.

 

[Philpug]

Yeah, +2.

As far as the ideal binding.... Look/Rossi turntables. Light, strong and short.

 

[Greg]

It's my understanding that the boot sole center line on the Twister is already further forward than other bump skis so going by the line is reasonable. I mounted my Cabrawlers +1cm. I've heard of people going as far forward as +4.

 

[jack97]

any reason for that other than it just seems to work for you? was it recommended? is there some technical reason for it? i know mounting forward of the centerline is supposed to let you initiate turns quicker which sounds like a good attribute to have in the moguls.

reason I ask is that I currently use Tyrolia railflex bindings on my scream ltd skis(80 mm waist) and i know the the lifter plate is not ideal for freestyle use. i experimented with moving my bindings back and forth on my last trip. I usually ski in the neutral all mountain position and it works fairly well. i moved my binding backwards -15mm and i perceived that I could turn quicker and tighter, was more stable in powder and soft big moguls. seemed like I could pivot faster too.

I then tried moving my bindings to the forward position(+15mm) and maybe I just wasn;t used to it but I found way too forward on the skis to be comfortable and making longer turns by letting the skis run more(not by choice)and having the tails of my skis getting in the way or hitting the back side of even the slightest variable crud and terrain feature. i decided not to bother experimenting much more with this position.

sally scream looks like it has a wide tip so getting the edges to engage and locked is going to be easier than a narrow tip ski. With my present boot with lots of forward lean.I had a similar exp with my volkl g3 (all mtn circa 2000), tips would bite in fast and the edges would rail but after a while I was able to adapt and ease of the front pressure.

 

[Philpug]

It's my understanding that the boot sole center line on the Twister is already further forward than other bump skis so going by the line is reasonable. I mounted my Cabrawlers +1cm. I've heard of people going as far forward as +4.

A lot depends on the ski.

 

[mondeo]

So here's something I can't understand: why don't mogul skis have their mount points set properly? They always seem to be set too far back. If the company spends any time developing them at all, you'd figure they'd take note of where the testers like the bindings mounted.

 

[Philpug]

So here's something I can't understand: why don't mogul skis have their mount points set properly? They always seem to be set too far back. If the company spends any time developing them at all, you'd figure they'd take note of where the testers like the bindings mounted.

Fair point. Part will come down to personal preference, contrary to what I posted previously. When I was with Hart, one of the things I asked for was markings on the skis with "suggested" mid points. If didn't happen.

 

[o3jeff]

Instead of starting a new thread or finding where it was talked about I figured I would throw it in here. Mogul ski length, it seemed in the other thread everyone was saying go with at least a 175 length. The K2’s are 173(sound like they actually measure less than that) and the Twisters are 169 or 175.

I am pretty sure the spring/summer deals are going to be found on the shorter/odd lengths of these skis and was wondering if that 1-2” is really going to make a difference with a beginner bump skier or if by the time that they will make the difference the ski will be shot and will need to replaced anyways. Just throwing the questions out there now in case I come across a good deal the gun will be loaded.

 

[Greg]

Instead of starting a new thread or finding where it was talked about I figured I would throw it in here. Mogul ski length, it seemed in the other thread everyone was saying go with at least a 175 length. The K2’s are 173(sound like they actually measure less than that) and the Twisters are 169 or 175.

I am pretty sure the spring/summer deals are going to be found on the shorter/odd lengths of these skis and was wondering if that 1-2” is really going to make a difference with a beginner bump skier or if by the time that they will make the difference the ski will be shot and will need to replaced anyways. Just throwing the questions out there now in case I come across a good deal the gun will be loaded.

K2s are 173 in the their longest length. The Cabrawlers are marked at 179, but are really 173. The Mamba is the same ski and is marked the correct length. Twisters are 168, 175 and 182. The Twister is supposedly softer than the K2 so you can get away with a longer length. Rossi Scratch Moguls and Solomon 1080s if you find them are soft too. Heads are probably the stiffest. Going shorter may give you more confidence in the bumps, but will be a little flimsy out of the bumps. I would say you should be somewhere in the 170s.

 

[o3jeff]

I knew I read something on the mismarked K2 length somewhere and that was it. So softer in the bumps better and a stiffer ski better on the groomed getting to them.

Btw 5' 8', 180# if that much matters

 

[Greg]

I knew I read something on the mismarked K2 length somewhere and that was it. So softer in the bumps better and a stiffer ski better on the groomed getting to them.

Btw 5' 8', 180# if that much matters

Stiffness is just a personal preference, I guess. A beginner bumper probably would want softer though. 170's for you would be good. As far as length, go with what you use for your all mountains to start with.

 

[2knees]

as far as the heads, i would stay away from them jeff. they are fairly stiff and can be a bear at times. I wonder if Brian might be better off on something a little more forgiving.

 

[Hawkshot99]

K2s are 173 in the their longest length. The Cabrawlers are marked at 179, but are really 173. The Mamba is the same ski and is marked the correct length.

Are the tails on your k2's turned up slightly up? Up untill this past year they measured the running length, not the actual, but they have switched to tip-to-tail length like all other companies now.

 

[mondeo]

Are the tails on your k2's turned up slightly up? Up untill this past year they measured the running length, not the actual, but they have switched to tip-to-tail length like all other companies now.

The Cabrawler was some other problem. It was 6cm shorter than the actual length.

 

[bvibert]

I wonder if Brian might be better off on something a little more forgiving.

I've been wondering the same thing myself. Don't forget that I have quite a bit more weight behind me to flex them though.

 

[2knees]

I've been wondering the same thing myself. Don't forget that I have quite a bit more weight behind me to flex them though.

i know but they just dont have much in the way of forgiveness. i read a few reports, after i bought them, that were making me nervous. anyway, you seemed to handle them fine yesterday.

 

[bvibert]

i know but they just dont have much in the way of forgiveness. i read a few reports, after i bought them, that were making me nervous. anyway, you seemed to handle them fine yesterday.

Thanks mang. I try not to think about the equipment too much while I'm skiing, so that's probably part of the reason.