ss20
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The likelihood of spreading post-vaccine is probably going to be similar to the people who get Covid twice....it's a 1-in-100,000-1,000,000 people scenario. Doesn't mean the media won't scare you with it.
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COVID concerns in the Northeast
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The likelihood of spreading post-vaccine is probably going to be similar to the people who get Covid twice....it's a 1-in-100,000-1,000,000 people scenario. Doesn't mean the media won't scare you with it.
drjeff
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There is still a touch of the unknown (need some time to see as well as more numbers of people with the vaccine) if the vaccine only prevents the symptoms that Covid can produce in some, from happening, or if it both prevents the symptoms from happening but potentially allows those vaccinated to still spread potentially COVID to those who haven't been vaccinated or have previously had and recovered from COVID and have naturally formed antibodies.
All indications that I have read, seem to strongly feel that once vaccinated, and as a result form antibodies to COVID, that you will not be able to potentially spread COVID, just the same as someone who naturally acquired the antibodies via the disease itself.
Zermatt
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Right, so it would be different from every other vaccine in history....because covid.
Moderna has specifically said their vaccine prevents you from carrying/spreading the virus (just like every other vaccine). Pfizer has not said because they haven't studied it properly because there were other more important things to look at. And yes, if it is only 95% effective then 5% of people still get covid symptoms and could spread it, but 95% effectiveness is pretty damn good.
abc
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Most other disease also don’t usually spread BEFORE the patient start showing symptoms.
Yes, covid has surprised virologists in so many ways. They learn not to make too much prediction until they have proof.
Last but not least, these mRNA vaccines ARE DIFFERENT from all past vaccines. They’re brand spanking new. Never have we had made vaccine this past before.
drjeff
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The reality is that the technology at its core used with mRNA vaccines has been around for about 20 years. It isn't something new. The pharmaceutical industry just hasn't had the need, or the motive to incur the significant R&D costs, to develop an mRNA based vaccine prior to now.
The "it's a new technique" is more just hyperbole and scare than science based
abc
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The “technology” may not be new. The vaccine is.
A lot is unknown. But too many people are pinning miracle power to them that hasn’t been demonstrated in clinical trials.
A lot of wishful thinking in this whole pandemic.
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Smellytele
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95% that you won't get it but as they said not that you can't spread it. well Pfizer's anyway
drjeff
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The won't spread it part is more along the lines of the reality that the folks who received the vaccine in it's trial phase, have had it in their system now more maybe 6 months. The data at roughly 6 months is looking like they can't spread it. The reality is that we won't know if the vaccine induced antibodies will last permanently for years. That's why the "we're not sure yet...." line is used in the era where any perceived potential risk is too much for many people...
For the vast majority of our immune systems that are in normal working order, once they develop an antibody to whatever agent the body has an immune response to, our bodies in essence "store" the information about how to make that antibody again in the future should that same infective agent show up again. Sometimes the size of the future immune response can decrease, and that's why in some cases we do need booster shots to re stimulate our immune systems to keep the antibody production potential effective.
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i am receiving my first dose of a covid-19 vaccine tomorrow, with a secondary dose in either 21 or 28 days depending on the manufacturer. the supply is such that the hospital can't say for sure if i'll be getting BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273. maximum efficacy will occur 10 to 14 days after the second dose.
regarding virus transmission after being vaccinated, pfizer states this:
"Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission." the key word is reduce.
regarding duration of protection, pfizer states this:
"Data are not yet available to inform about the duration of protection that the vaccine will provide."
i believe the moderna has similar statements, but can't find them.
it's clear to me that: once vaccinated, one in twenty still can get and transmit covid, and for the other 19 folks it is hoped that transmissability will be reduced; the duration of protection after vaccination is still unknown; the CDC statement regarding handwashing after visiting a public place or sneezing/coughing seems reasonable to me.
regarding virus transmission after being vaccinated, pfizer states this:
"Most vaccines that protect from viral illnesses also reduce transmission of the virus that causes the disease by those who are vaccinated. While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine will reduce such transmission." the key word is reduce.
regarding duration of protection, pfizer states this:
"Data are not yet available to inform about the duration of protection that the vaccine will provide."
i believe the moderna has similar statements, but can't find them.
it's clear to me that: once vaccinated, one in twenty still can get and transmit covid, and for the other 19 folks it is hoped that transmissability will be reduced; the duration of protection after vaccination is still unknown; the CDC statement regarding handwashing after visiting a public place or sneezing/coughing seems reasonable to me.
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abc
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Can you please point me to the source?
chuckstah
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A quarantine is no longer advised for travel to and from NH for those that have been vaccinated, and those who have recovered from Covid in the past 90 days. Hopefully other states get in on this common sense.
www.nbcboston.com
New Quarantine Advice for Post-infection, Vaccination in NH
New Hampshire residents who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus or were previously infected no longer need to quarantine after being exposed to an infected person or after traveling, according to new guidance from the state Division of Public Health Services. Under previous guidance...
www.nbcboston.com
machski
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Well, that's nice. Too bad most who actually travel can't currently get the vaccine in NH.A quarantine is no longer advised for travel to and from NH for those that have been vaccinated, and those who have recovered from Covid in the past 90 days. Hopefully other states get in on this common sense.
New Quarantine Advice for Post-infection, Vaccination in NH
New Hampshire residents who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus or were previously infected no longer need to quarantine after being exposed to an infected person or after traveling, according to new guidance from the state Division of Public Health Services. Under previous guidance...
chuckstah
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Hopefully soon, but it looks like it won't y til next season for many.
abc
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That may encourage people to get vaccinated.A quarantine is no longer advised for travel to and from NH for those that have been vaccinated, and those who have recovered from Covid in the past 90 days. Hopefully other states get in on this common sense.
New Quarantine Advice for Post-infection, Vaccination in NH
New Hampshire residents who are fully vaccinated against the coronavirus or were previously infected no longer need to quarantine after being exposed to an infected person or after traveling, according to new guidance from the state Division of Public Health Services. Under previous guidance...
That number is just made up based on people who actually reported it. An actual study in UK indicated after 5 months, with slightly less than 1% of people who had been previously infected has caught it again after 5 months. This doesn't mean chance of catching is less than 1%, just that less than 1% of people in the study caught it again. The actual rate of being protected within 5 months is 83%
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/14/cov...round-as-much-immunity-as-vaccines-study.html
ScottySkis
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Great news for Killington ppl:
""KILLINGTON TO DROP PARKING RESERVATIONS EXCEPT FOR BUSY DAYS!!!
"Starting Tuesday, January 19, we will only require parking reservations on Saturdays, Sundays and Peak Days, February 15-19."
This is great news as it removes a step that at least they now seem to see as unnecessary when they were unlikely to hit capacity. Opening up more bases, lifts, and terrain gives Killington more wiggle room now for sure.
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""KILLINGTON TO DROP PARKING RESERVATIONS EXCEPT FOR BUSY DAYS!!!
"Starting Tuesday, January 19, we will only require parking reservations on Saturdays, Sundays and Peak Days, February 15-19."
This is great news as it removes a step that at least they now seem to see as unnecessary when they were unlikely to hit capacity. Opening up more bases, lifts, and terrain gives Killington more wiggle room now for sure.
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BenedictGomez
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I have a feeling you're going to be hearing about this study soon. And that there's going to be a lot of revisionist history among politicians in the coming years.
For those who dont like reading scientific studies, across 10 different nations they found no statistically significant benefit of mandatory lockdown orders on having a beneficial COVID19 effect over that of simple voluntary measures like social distancing or reducing your travel.
For those who dont like reading scientific studies, across 10 different nations they found no statistically significant benefit of mandatory lockdown orders on having a beneficial COVID19 effect over that of simple voluntary measures like social distancing or reducing your travel.
Assessing Mandatory Stay‐at‐Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID‐19
shhhhhhhhhhh, you aren't supposed to say the quiet part out loud
drjeff
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And I wouldn't be shocked at all, in say 5 or 10 years, if studies show that the harm done from a psychological standpoint, from the lockdowns, has a far greater toll on many in society than the disease process itself, for all but those who had multiple co-morbidities before hand.
It really is getting to the point, where if one removes the panic and hysteria that has been drummed up around most things COVID, and takes a scientific backed, critical look at things, it will show for most that social distancing, proper face/hand hygiene and mask use, and a relatively normal society for the vast majority of the population, is, and should of been the way to go.
What that brings into play, is that yes, you do need to single out certain members of society, because their risk is far greater, and trying to single out specific groups, (especially if it's not of a political ideological nature it seems
) just isn't an acceptable thing, even if the science shows that it's the more prudent, realistic thing to do with the greatest benefit for most
