COVID concerns in the Northeast

[tumbler]

I think that is partially it, partially because he could get away with it given the high Democrat % of VT, partially due to the fact that a good chunk of VT'ers really don't like outsiders/tourists (major can of worms opening alert), and yes, partially because VT hospital infrastructure could not handle a sizable outbreak.

Overall I believe a majority of the state (slim majority) will be happy with his response.

Scott is a Republican.

 

[ss20]

Scott is a Republican.

Yes, but he is popular amongst people from both parties from my understanding. The D's are really pushing for restrictions and a government that regulates and intervenes in this pandemic. Hence they find his moves popular.

 

[ss20]

Vermont without the rest of the country would just be West Virginia 2 in terms of quality of life, poverty levels, and health outcomes. So, enjoy that, I guess.

Unfortunately it is really getting to that point. The drug issues in VT are huge. And the opportunities within the state for a better life are decreasing.

 

[Smellytele]

There's currently an outbreak of 70+ cases at Norwich University

Norwich University sees nearly 70 COVID cases

Norwich University is reporting nearly 70 COVID cases since they started testing earlier this month for the start of the spring semester. Right now, students are in a modified room quarantine to help contain the spread.

www.wcax.com

Yup my son goes there and told me the other day about it. They have been back for 2 weeks and have had to quarantine for the 14 days so they could weed out the infected. in September when they came back less than 10 had it.

 

[Smellytele]

Yeah, that's got to be it. It's all about the numbers and getting a big 'ol pat on the back, right? How narcissistic of him!

I would say all the way back to the days of the Green Mountain Boys, Vermont could give two shits what the rest of the country thinks of us. See "Exhibit A" below
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Yup you voted in Bernie from Brooklyn.

 

[abc]

I think hospitalizations and deaths is probably a better comparrison - really, either per capita or total - since the two states are similar in size and geography.

Death is more definitive. But it has a 4 week time lag. So by the time you see the death rate comes up, you've already got all the ICU's filled!

Hospitalization is A LITTLE sooner. Another data is ER visits, even if the patient end up going home. They're sick enough to visit the ER.

But "testing positive" is really the best and quickest way. Either there's a raging infection going on, or they're ONLY testing those already sick. Either way, you've got a problem! How big a problem? Wait another week and it'll show up in the hospital!

 

[drjeff]

Death is more definitive. But it has a 4 week time lag. So by the time you see the death rate comes up, you've already got all the ICU's filled!

Hospitalization is A LITTLE sooner. Another data is ER visits, even if the patient end up going home. They're sick enough to visit the ER.

But "testing positive" is really the best and quickest way. Either there's a raging infection going on, or they're ONLY testing those already sick. Either way, you've got a problem! How big a problem? Wait another week and it'll show up in the hospital!

There are plenty of ER nurses and Docs out there who will off the record tell you that many of the people who go to the ER for possible COVID issues are doing so way more out of paranoia than actual necessity. Certainly there are some that do go to the ER for valid reasons, there are though not an insignificant number of people who are going there, thinking they're going to die in the next 24hrs, who just have very mild symptoms and honestly didn't need to go to the ER and could of been monitoring at home with some tele medicine communication with their physician

 

[abc]

There are plenty of ER nurses and Docs out there who will off the record tell you that many of the people who go to the ER for possible COVID issues are doing so way more out of paranoia than actual necessity. Certainly there are some that do go to the ER for valid reasons, there are though not an insignificant number of people who are going there, thinking they're going to die in the next 24hrs, who just have very mild symptoms and honestly didn't need to go to the ER and could of been monitoring at home with some tele medicine communication with their physician

What I've noticed was ER visits has a similar trend as the "test positive" rate.

ER visits are by nature not all Covid related. Testing is a more accurate measure. But when testing is limited, or difficult to access, that's when patient end up going to the ER instead. (During the "2nd wave", many testing sites have hour long wait! When you're sick, the last thing you want is to wait in line for an hour, AND still not get seen by a doctor!) Regardless, once they're in the ER, they'll get tested for Covid. So a high ER visit rate together with a high Covid test positive rate is a pretty good indication of "more" covid cases in the community. (in fact, if a lot of people are visiting the ER for non-covid related issues, it would help drive down the test positive rate)

I've used telemedicine a few times for various issues this past year. Physicians don't want to be the one telling the patient to just stay home and monitor their symptoms. They want you to go get tested!

A high test positive rate is just an indication of that, people who're showing symptoms are indeed Covid patients instead of other non-covid disease having similar symptoms.

 

[thetrailboss]

In case any of you are wondering, this is how rural Utah spends COVID relief funds.....

$500K in federal coronavirus money used to build tubing hill in Utah’s Uintah County

As they faced a federal spending deadline, elected officials in Uintah County spent thousands on equipment for a snow hill. But it's not clear whether such an expense is allowed under the The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

www.sltrib.com

 

[icecoast1]

In case any of you are wondering, this is how rural Utah spends COVID relief funds.....

$500K in federal coronavirus money used to build tubing hill in Utah’s Uintah County

As they faced a federal spending deadline, elected officials in Uintah County spent thousands on equipment for a snow hill. But it's not clear whether such an expense is allowed under the The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

www.sltrib.com

Part of the goal of all of that government spending was to stimulate the economy and promote economic recovery, this ski/tubing area does that, doesnt it? Jobs, tax revenues, etc.....

 

[LasersInTheTaiga]

In case any of you are wondering, this is how rural Utah spends COVID relief funds.....

$500K in federal coronavirus money used to build tubing hill in Utah’s Uintah County

As they faced a federal spending deadline, elected officials in Uintah County spent thousands on equipment for a snow hill. But it's not clear whether such an expense is allowed under the The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act.

www.sltrib.com

I'd rather they spend it on a tubing hill than on those stupid metal permanent quarantine signs that Vermont has put up everywhere. I just realized they put one coming into the Mad River Valley from Roxbury. This is actually good for me because I wanted to shoot one up but I figured it would be a little conspicuous doing it on the side of the highway.

 

[Smellytele]

So what are the rules after someone has both their coved shots?

 

[2Planker]

So what are the rules after someone has both their coved shots?

NH says Quarantine NO longer necessary 15 days after 2nd dose.
More states will go w/ this soon

 

[thetrailboss]

Part of the goal of all of that government spending was to stimulate the economy and promote economic recovery, this ski/tubing area does that, doesnt it? Jobs, tax revenues, etc.....

Does it though?

 

[drjeff]

NH says Quarantine NO longer necessary 15 days after 2nd dose.
More states will go w/ this soon

Fingers crossed on that as I was fortunate enough to get dose #2 this past Wednesday...

And no side effects, with either dose of the Moderna vaccine short of a couple of days of soreness at the injection site

 

[2Planker]

Fingers crossed on that as I was fortunate enough to get dose #2 this past Wednesday...

And no side effects, with either dose of the Moderna vaccine short of a couple of days of soreness at the injection site

I got Pfizer. Arm was pretty sore for just 1 day after each dose.

Many seem to be having more of a reaction to 2nd dose - Headache, Fever, Fatigue

 

[drjeff]

I got Pfizer. Arm was pretty sore for just 1 day after each dose.

Many seem to be having more of a reaction to 2nd dose - Headache, Fever, Fatigue

Out of the 10 of us in my office who have received both of our doses now, we had 1 with a low grade fever (low 99's) and on/off chills and hot flashes both times, a couple of mild head/body aches, but most were just injection site soreness for a couple of days. Certainly nothing major or unexpected in our cases

 

[2Planker]

Similar here, But we have had 5-6 w/ Fever next day, so they couldn't get past the Covid Security to get in.

 

[JimG.]

Just read that a congressman tested positive for COVID after receiving his second round of vaccine.

Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose (msn.com)

None of this is inspiring confidence in my case.

 

[drjeff]

Just read that a congressman tested positive for COVID after receiving his second round of vaccine.

Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose (msn.com)

None of this is inspiring confidence in my case.

What to watch is the data coming out of Israel over the next few weeks.

They have now close to 80% of their most vulnerable, high risk (over 70 and/or other co morbidities) now with the 1st and most with the 2nd dose administered as well.

A decrease in their mortality rates in theory should be declining.

Also, it is possible to test positive for COVID, as a result of receiving the vaccine recently