COVID concerns in the Northeast

[zoomzoom]

Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose​

that's quite a headline, almost reads like the vaccine caused covid.

he tested positive on jan 29th, after getting the vaccine earlier in january. we know that the vaccine doesn't achieve full efficacy until 10 days after the vaccine, but the dates needed to make a reasonable conclusion are left out of the article. the only thing i can conclude from this article is that the vaccine isn't 100% effective, and we knew that anyway.

 

[Slidebrook87]

Congressman tests positive for COVID after receiving second vaccine dose​

that's quite a headline, almost reads like the vaccine caused covid.

he tested positive on jan 29th, after getting the vaccine earlier in january. we know that the vaccine doesn't achieve full efficacy until 10 days after the vaccine, but the dates needed to make a reasonable conclusion are left out of the article. the only thing i can conclude from this article is that the vaccine isn't 100% effective, and we knew that anyway.

This is coming from someone who doesn’t know too much about the vaccine, but I recall hearing that you can technically still get COVID after you get both doses of the vaccine, but you will not have symptoms. It could be that or the fact that the vaccine is not 100% effective.

 

[SnowRock]

This is coming from someone who doesn’t know too much about the vaccine, but I recall hearing that you can technically still get COVID after you get both doses of the vaccine, but you will not have symptoms. It could be that or the fact that the vaccine is not 100% effective.

Yes... and not to mention with every vaccine so far, hospitalization and mortality rates in the trials have been 0 (regardless of the efficacy levels). So if you do get it, symptoms are not as severe, you don't end up in hospital and you stay alive.

 

[dblskifanatic]

What I find interesting at this time is the number of people I know that are as healthy as I am do not work in public safety or medical and are getting the vaccination now and one of those is my sister. I am of the opinion that I prefer to wait so the first responders, medical staff, those with underlying conditions, and elderly can get the vaccination first. I think there are so many that fear Covid so much that they are willing to cut in line. In my sisters case, she is getting it to make sure she can get into the nursing home as soon as they open the doors to see our mother. We do not even know when that will be. She is not the only one doing this.

 

[gittist]

"I think there are so many that fear Covid so much that they.." and I think these people are in charge :-(. I'm waiting for a news report about some zealot chastising scuba divers and snorkelers for not wearing a COVID mask while in the water.

 

[MadMadWorld]

In Sullivan county NY close to where I live ed from 2017 to 2019

Someone who recently went skiing in the Hudson Valley later tested positive for COVID-19.

Warning: Potential COVID-19 Exposures at Ski Resort in Hudson Valley

Someone who recently went skiing in the Hudson Valley later tested positive for COVID-19.

wpdh.com

Hope cuckoo does not stop ski because of this

I just assume half of the people at Wachusett have it. No reason to shut down a ski area when it is probably one of the safest things to be doing in a public setting.

 

[zoomzoom]

some positive trends here.
https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

 

[dblskifanatic]

I pulled these form an article which appears optimistic - while CNN and NPR confirm some of this they still have somewhat negative spin.

Why ARE COVID cases plummeting? New infections have fallen 45% in the US and 30% globally in the past 3 weeks but experts say vaccine is NOT the main driver because only 8% of Americans and 13% people worldwide have received their first dose

• Daily cases have dropped 45 percent since the latest peak on January 11, according to data from the COVID-19 Tracking Project . There were 131,341 new cases reported on Wednesday
• The decline appears to be a global phenomenon, with new infections falling worldwide for the past three weeks in a row, the World Health Organization said Monday
• Hospitalizations have fallen a whopping 26 percent since they peaked most recently on January 12
• Currently, 44 states are seeing a decline in cases with just Alabama, Louisiana, Montana, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania trending upward, according to Johns Hopkins data
• California's 21,451 new confirmed cases on Tuesday are about one-third the mid-December peak of 54,000
• New York recorded 8,215 new infections on Tuesday, down from the record-high of 19,942 new cases reported on January 15
• Health experts say it is too soon for vaccines to be playing a major role in the decline with just 8% of the population having received the first shot and fewer than 2% being fully immunized
• Officials say the drop is likely due to a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest, as many as 90 million people, and fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays

 

[Smellytele]

fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays

This

 

[thetrailboss]

Interesting read.

Covid-19 Insurance Coverage and Liability Update - Ski Area Management

This report is excerpted from a longer report by Gfeller Laurie LLP. We thank Charles Gfeller for sharing it with SAM. SAM Magazine—West Hartford, Conn., Feb. 5, 2021—Many ski areas and ski industry vendors have been adversely impacted by the Covid-19 pandemic and associated shutdowns. In the...

www.saminfo.com

 

[ctdubl07]

I pulled these form an article which appears optimistic - while CNN and NPR confirm some of this they still have somewhat negative spin.

Why ARE COVID cases plummeting? New infections have fallen 45% in the US and 30% globally in the past 3 weeks but experts say vaccine is NOT the main driver because only 8% of Americans and 13% people worldwide have received their first dose

• Daily cases have dropped 45 percent since the latest peak on January 11, according to data from the COVID-19 Tracking Project . There were 131,341 new cases reported on Wednesday
• The decline appears to be a global phenomenon, with new infections falling worldwide for the past three weeks in a row, the World Health Organization said Monday
• Hospitalizations have fallen a whopping 26 percent since they peaked most recently on January 12
• Currently, 44 states are seeing a decline in cases with just Alabama, Louisiana, Montana, New Jersey, Oklahoma and Pennsylvania trending upward, according to Johns Hopkins data
• California's 21,451 new confirmed cases on Tuesday are about one-third the mid-December peak of 54,000
• New York recorded 8,215 new infections on Tuesday, down from the record-high of 19,942 new cases reported on January 15
• Health experts say it is too soon for vaccines to be playing a major role in the decline with just 8% of the population having received the first shot and fewer than 2% being fully immunized
• Officials say the drop is likely due to a higher number of people who've had the virus than official counts suggest, as many as 90 million people, and fewer people traveling than did over the winter holidays

A little rant....we live in CT. I have an office near home and another in NYC. I believe CT flagged VT back mid Nov as one of last no-go states with VT "spiking" and rolling 7 day at 100 cases (approx, please correct me) CT was around 1600.
My home town now has a rolling average of 15 cases.
CT has 7 day of around 1200 and VT at about 140.
I can travel freely in and out of NYC (or NJ/RI) without any restrictions but I dont. I could ride on a train, eat in a restaurant (now) and spend my day inside a 70 floor building but I haven't stepped foot in NYC since last March.
In order for my 4 children to return to school after having traveled to VT, stayed in our private residence, spent 48 hours in the cold, outside with masks on, we must either: Qtine for 14 days or provide a negative PCR test.
Selfishly we have taken our children out of school for Jan-March to distance learn so that we can enjoy the blessing of family winters in VT. Plus we do not want to run-afoul of either CT or Vt's rules.....we could stay silent and game the system but my moral compass says no. We even cancelled our annual Feb trip out West to do the right thing but I have to say, its getting a little lonely playing by the rules when the dog and I do an early AM parking lot walk and see all the NY/NJ/CT/MA day tripper plates knowing full well that less than 20% likely played by the rules to get here......I guess call me old fashion at 50.
But I'll point to DrJ's post that for months many of us speculated if the season would happen at all but .....here we are, near half way thru and I think "we'll make it" to the end. My kids will just likely end up having C averages this year.

 

[abc]

New infections have fallen 45% in the US

That's 45% down from the peak of Christmas!

It's kind of like Vail's running of Wildcat. By doing absolutely nothing in December, things got so bad people's expectatin hit rock bottom! Any improvement will be seen as a huge relieve!

The case number is about as high as November, right before Thanksgiving! It's still way higher than in September, when d people are socializing outside. But sure, compared to the worst of Christmas-New Year, it's a "significant improvement".

Or like old school store sales. First, mark all the prices up by 25%. Then run a 25% "sale"! People would say "Oh look! Huge sale, better hurry!"!

When and if the case number dropped to the level of summer, we'll be able to remove many of the restrictions and enjoy life a little closer to "normal". But 45% drop from Christmas isn't it.

 

[drjeff]

That's 45% down from the peak of Christmas!

It's kind of like Vail's running of Wildcat. By doing absolutely nothing in December, things got so bad people's expectatin hit rock bottom! Any improvement will be seen as a huge relieve!

The case number is about as high as November, right before Thanksgiving! It's still way higher than in September, when d people are socializing outside. But sure, compared to the worst of Christmas-New Year, it's a "significant improvement".

Or like old school store sales. First, mark all the prices up by 25%. Then run a 25% "sale"! People would say "Oh look! Huge sale, better hurry!"!

When and if the case number dropped to the level of summer, we'll be able to remove many of the restrictions and enjoy life a little closer to "normal". But 45% drop from Christmas isn't it.

I haven't been able to verify the accuracy of this or not, however I did hear a report that in the last few weeks, labs processing the PCR COVID-19 tests have decreased the number of times they amplify the testing sample from something like 50 times (basically amplifying the sample a trillion times before starting to look for COVID-19 virus particles) down to around 30 times (basically amplify the testing sample a couple of billion times before looking for COVID-19 particles), so that may account for some of the possible decreases.

I also heard a report that as of this week, there now have been more people who have received atleast their 1st vaccine dose (if not the 2nd dose as well) than have officially tested positive for COVID-19, so that covers about 50 million people, and if you believe the data that 3, to possibly 10 times as many people have had COVID-19, but were asymptomatic and never got tested, so if one wants to consider that, potential half of the country may very well have either natural or vaccine induced antibodies right now, which can also account for why the numbers are decreasing.

Time will tell

 

[abc]

if you believe the data that 3, to possibly 10 times as many people have had COVID-19

I can believe in 3.

10 is most likely just wishful thinking!

 

[drjeff]

I can believe in 3.

10 is most likely just wishful thinking!

If you go with 3, that's still basically almost third of the country with either natural or vaccine induced antibodies present. And that certainly is a substantial number!

 

[abc]

If you go with 3, that's still basically almost third of the country with either natural or vaccine induced antibodies present. And that certainly is a substantial number!

I haven't looked at the numbers. But if 3 leads to 1/3 of the country have immunity, 10 would have us AT herd immunity already!

But since we're still seeing fairly large numbers of cases, we're clearly NOT at herd immunity. Therefore, 10 can't possibly be.

That said, it's pretty obvious there're tons of people who never got tested. So I think 3 has got to be resembling a somewhat realistic number. Maybe it's only 2. But either way, we'll reach herd immunity either through vaccination or infection by summer!

 

[Los]

People like you are why we can't have nice things and why this ski season has almost 0 chance of going the distance.

Hey guy - just curious - does this ski season still have "almost 0 chance of going the distance" because of people that don't strictly adhere every millisecond to your nazi rules, or have you realized that your fear was completely overblown and unhinged?

Hope you're having a great season!

 

[abc]

Hey guy - just curious - does this ski season still have "almost 0 chance of going the distance" because of people that don't strictly adhere every millisecond to your nazi rules, or have you realized that your fear was completely overblown and unhinged?

Hope you're having a great season!

The season is “going the distance” because all the Vail mountain ARE having many Kens and Karens ENFORCING mask wearing!

It’s like people saying “we ONLY have half a million death from Covid”. But that’s because the lockdown and the closing of indoor entertainment. Had we left all those open... but we won’t know, will we?

You saved the guy who doesn’t wear life jacket from drowning when his canoe flipped. And the next day he’s out on the water in a new canoe, still not wearing a life jacket!

Darwin was wrong.

 

[drjeff]

The season is going the distance, because more than likely, regardless of the regulations/protocols in place in the various states, the actual act of skiing/riding is a low risk sport for transmission. It may be just that simple. Just like you're incredibly unlikely to hear about a super spreading event from say a bike/walking trail in an urban area that has hundreds of people on it on a nice weekend day.

I understand why the "one size fits all" approach that each state has taken for what goes on within their geographic borders is used, however, if one objectively looks at things, and applies a bit of critical thinking, they could see that say that being inside of a packed bar for a while probably isn't a good idea transmission risk wise. Being outside , even in a long lift line that is moving, or being on a chairlift, that is moving with a few other people, doesn't appear to be a big deal for the overwhelming majority of the population.

The overwhelming amount of fear and gloom and doom that has been put forth around COVID for the vast majority of the population, is going to likely now become a major problem as things are starting to be able to head back to more of a "normal" way, as the psychological fear that some people have now is going to be a real issue. And that's an unfortunate thing

 

[Hawk]

The thing that drives me nuts is the people that have to preach or point fingers or poke. And I'm talking about both sides. It really isn't our job on here to dole out judgement or point out people. I mean if that is what makes you feel better, Jeeze. People have to just deal with it and it will be over soon. it all happened and we can't go back. We can only go forward. Some people were not affected and some have had really bad outcomes. Safe to say, the ski industry did ok by following the state's guidelines. That is what kept the season going. Let's just get through this and maybe next year we can drink beer together.