COVID concerns in the Northeast

[jimmywilson69]

2 great posts.

I think I said this on KZone the other day. Unless you plan on making out with everyone in the parking lot spring skiing even with tailgating is likely a fairly safe activity. keep in your bubble or keep some distance and all should be good.

 

[ss20]

The thing that drives me nuts is the people that have to preach or point fingers or poke. And I'm talking about both sides. It really isn't our job on here to dole out judgement or point out people. I mean if that is what makes you feel better, Jeeze. People have to just deal with it and it will be over soon. it all happened and we can't go back. We can only go forward. Some people were not affected and some have had really bad outcomes. Safe to say, the ski industry did ok by following the state's guidelines. That is what kept the season going. Let's just get through this and maybe next year we can drink beer together.

I agree...BUT...some people just don't see logic. My favorite was a forum member telling us in mid November how VT was going to shut down and we weren't going to have a ski season....as dozens of ski areas across the country had been open for weeks and all the big northeast players were making snow and announcing opening dates. I have no idea how you can argue that we won't be skiing as people are already skiing.

Hopefully we're nearly done with this thread as the national covid numbers are FALLING FASTER than they rose when cases were exploding in November/December. Also, I personally know more people who have been vaccinated than have had Covid.

 

[Puck it]

I would like to suggest a book for some here.

 

[Hawk]

It's funny you say that. I know way more people who have had covid then have been vaccinated. I also have 3 people in my family that are nurses. Weekly we have the conversations about the work and it inevitably ends with, "do you remember (fill in the Name here), they passed away this week". I live in a very tight community and know lots of people because I have lived there my whole life so I guess my case is somewhat unique. Things are very sad but I keep on going and do not live in fear because I use common sense, limit my interaction and just keep moving forward. This has not stopped me from skiing.

 

[cdskier]

I'm like Hawk...I know way more people who had covid than have been vaccinated as well. And also like Hawk it has not stopped me from skiing. Just be smart about what you do.

 

[abc]

The overwhelming amount of fear and gloom and doom that has been put forth around COVID for the vast majority of the population, is going to likely now become a major problem as things are starting to be able to head back to more of a "normal" way, as the psychological fear that some people have now is going to be a real issue. And that's an unfortunate thing

Fear goes up with incident rate of hospitalization and death!

At the beginning of the pandemic early last year, New York Chinatown had turned into ghost towns. (though as a side effect, infection by race had Asians at the very bottom, lower than even whites). Now, Chinatown has come back quite a bit. It's even difficult to find parking the last time I went by.

The fear will evaporate for those who got vaccinated. And if the number of serious outbreaks drops significantly, fear will go away for most.

 

[tnt1234]

The thing that drives me nuts is the people that have to preach or point fingers or poke. And I'm talking about both sides. It really isn't our job on here to dole out judgement or point out people. I mean if that is what makes you feel better, Jeeze. People have to just deal with it and it will be over soon. it all happened and we can't go back. We can only go forward. Some people were not affected and some have had really bad outcomes. Safe to say, the ski industry did ok by following the state's guidelines. That is what kept the season going. Let's just get through this and maybe next year we can drink beer together.

Well, the reason people point, and poke is, someone else's non-compliance effects everyone in the community.

If someone is not masked, and breathing down your neck in a line at the store, that effects you, not them. You are justified in tell them to back up and put a mask on so you don't get COVID.

 

[tnt1234]

For once, this particular vaccine, the uptake percentage are just adults making decisions for themselves, as kids are not included anyway.

So, any adult choose not to get vaccinated, they're not putting anyone else but themselves at risk. In this free society, I fully support their rights not to get vaccinated. That would speed up the vaccination of those in the lower priority group who wish to be vaccinated.

Not quite true.

If enough people don't get vaccinated and the Cornonavirus remains in our population, there are chances it mutates again into a vaccine resistant strain. There is some concern already that the SA variant is resistant to what we have.

 

[Hawk]

I understand that fully tnt. I just keep my distance and fend people like that off. But shouting at the world on the message board makes no sense. It will make zero difference. I guess it might make people fell better to vent. I can understand that. Actually it is the other side that is more frustrating. The people that are in complete and utter denial that go on the attack that is more frustrating. I guess if you live in circles that have not been affected then this whole thing seems silly and you get more frustrated and feel you must lash out. But until someone you know dies or worse, you cause that death, you will never really understand the collateral damage of being totally complacent. Like I said both sides screaming at each other serves no purpose except to vent. NO one is convicting anybody of anything on here. That is for sure.

 

[Puck it]

 

[2Planker]

Not quite true.

If enough people don't get vaccinated and the Cornonavirus remains in our population, there are chances it mutates again into a vaccine resistant strain. There is some concern already that the SA variant is resistant to what we have.

Exactly, Now we're hearing of an "LA Variant".... There will be others in due time.
California Has Its Own Coronavirus Variant, Researchers Reveal | HuffPost

Get used to getting a Covid Vacc annually

 

[JimG.]

The thing that drives me nuts is the people that have to preach or point fingers or poke. And I'm talking about both sides. It really isn't our job on here to dole out judgement or point out people. I mean if that is what makes you feel better, Jeeze. People have to just deal with it and it will be over soon. it all happened and we can't go back. We can only go forward. Some people were not affected and some have had really bad outcomes. Safe to say, the ski industry did ok by following the state's guidelines. That is what kept the season going. Let's just get through this and maybe next year we can drink beer together.

Wow totally agree Hawk. Tired of the preachers on both sides.

 

[Hawk]

I have seen Dr. Bailey's YouTube before. There are lots of things to dispute with her analysis. I am not going down this rabbit hole today. I personally think that there are some issues with testing and the counts of who is sick, resistant, recovered, dead from the disease are off. Sure, that is plausible and any intelligent person would question that. But I personally have seen the uptick in deaths and know people that have died. Talk to any ER person or nurse. I am not going to argue that people have died from a new virus strain. They have and at a higher rate then the regular flew. So to protect my mom, I am going to grin and bear it and wait it out using common sense practices. This really has not changed my life that much but I am lucky. So to the people that say you don't care about the people loosing jobs, money, business and that I am selfish, I say I do care. It is really bad. But I also say that if we did nothing like many think we should have done, and the death toll was even worse, then which form or selfish is better. Tough call. for me at least.

 

[180]

Well I can tell you that Superstar now has 20' mounds the whole way......

 

[tnt1234]

I understand that fully tnt. I just keep my distance and fend people like that off. But shouting at the world on the message board makes no sense. It will make zero difference. I guess it might make people fell better to vent. I can understand that. Actually it is the other side that is more frustrating. The people that are in complete and utter denial that go on the attack that is more frustrating. I guess if you live in circles that have not been affected then this whole thing seems silly and you get more frustrated and feel you must lash out. But until someone you know dies or worse, you cause that death, you will never really understand the collateral damage of being totally complacent. Like I said both sides screaming at each other serves no purpose except to vent. NO one is convicting anybody of anything on here. That is for sure.

Yeah, so true.

I participate in some other message boards that have midwestern members. When the pandemic started, you couldn't convince them for al the money in the world that they should learn from we folks on the coasts ad take this seriously....then they blew up this winter...

Frustrating.

 

[abc]

Exactly, Now we're hearing of an "LA Variant".... There will be others in due time.
California Has Its Own Coronavirus Variant, Researchers Reveal | HuffPost

Get used to getting a Covid Vacc annually

That's nothing new to "get used to". Flu vaccine is an annual vaccine.

Plenty of people don't take it. I don't have a problem with that.

 

[Puck it]

I have seen Dr. Bailey's YouTube before. There are lots of things to dispute with her analysis. I am not going down this rabbit hole today. I personally think that there are some issues with testing and the counts of who is sick, resistant, recovered, dead from the disease are off. Sure, that is plausible and any intelligent person would question that. But I personally have seen the uptick in deaths and know people that have died. Talk to any ER person or nurse. I am not going to argue that people have died from a new virus strain. They have and at a higher rate then the regular flew. So to protect my mom, I am going to grin and bear it and wait it out using common sense practices. This really has not changed my life that much but I am lucky. So to the people that say you don't care about the people loosing jobs, money, business and that I am selfish, I say I do care. It is really bad. But I also say that if we did nothing like many think we should have done, and the death toll was even worse, then which form or selfish is better. Tough call. for me at least.

One point that can not be denied is the Ct of the PCR test. They have just lowered from 50 to 30. That is still a replication of the sample of 2^30th. could this be why cases have dropped so suddenly? Hmmmm. Casedemic.

 

[abc]

So to the people that say you don't care about the people loosing jobs, money, business and that I am selfish, I say I do care. It is really bad. But I also say that if we did nothing like many think we should have done, and the death toll was even worse, then which form or selfish is better. Tough call. for me at least.

We're the world's richest country and we can't afford to curtail some of our economic activities to save a lot of lives? That's kind of weird.

I grew up in a poor country. I saw people who risked their life, never mind health, to eek out a living. I thought I escaped that kind of environment settling here. So to hear people arguing about having to "accept" the death toll as "normal"? That makes me really sad.

I don't support every bits of the restrictions. Some of them just don't make sense. But to say if we don't open everything back up is because we don't care about people losing jobs, that's cheap.

Anyway, the debate is going to lose much of the relevancy. Vaccine will be in the arms of people who want it by summer, new strain or not. Things WILL open up. We shall see.

If enough people don't get vaccinated and the Cornonavirus remains in our population, there are chances it mutates again into a vaccine resistant strain. There is some concern already that the SA variant is resistant to what we have.

We don't have any hope on that one. Even if the US vaccinates everyone who is eligible, there're still billions in the rest of the world for the virus to grow and mutate.

We are looking at a constant update of vaccines like flu for many years to come.

 

[ss20]

Well I can tell you that Superstar now has 20' mounds the whole way......

Not June 1 depth at the moment but certainly mid-May! Still blowing though...who knows.

 

[urungus]

Fully vaccinated people don't need to quarantine if exposed to Covid, CDC says

Other recommendations to slow the spread of the coronavirus, like wearing masks and social distancing, still apply.

www.nbcnews.com

I wonder if vaccinated people will get exempted from quarantine after crossing state lines