COVID concerns in the Northeast

[abc]

Even in places with good contact-tracing programs (emphatically not the US), what's the success rate on identifying the source of infections? I've read less than 50%, (but that wasn't well-sourced, so I'd be happy to learn otherwise if that's the case).

Assuming even 20% of cases come from unidentified spread, let alone 50%, wouldn't it stand to reason that some of that percentage comes from activities that are lower-risk but not zero-risk and have probably been producing some cases, albeit at a low-enough rate that it makes tracking the exact source difficult or impossible?

Totally!

I've been struggling with how to think of those "less than 50%", in other words, "lower" transmission risk. That's why I'm doing everything I can to keep as much distance from people as I practically can. We just don't know.

I keep thinking about avalanche dangers. Some say, even the best got caught out. So no guarantee. But experience tells us if we practice safe bc travel, we minimize the risk without eliminate it completely. Well, Covid danger is kind of similar. We can't be 100% safe because there's that x% that we never figure out how it happened. But by following best practice, we remove those other risk we KNOW. We stay "safer" albeit not completely 100% safe.

We know the virus is transmitted by breath. So more distance is safer. The shorter time in shared air space, also better. Keeping the mask on is like increasing the distance and reducing the time sharing air. If both party keep their mask on, that's twice the reduction of transmission potential.

I will share a chair if I see practically everyone is keeping their mask on while riding up. But if I see half the people taking their mask off, I'm not going to share chair with anyone else. And if that makes the line grow longer, that's just too bad. Or you all can choose to keep the mask on and we all get up the mountain just a bit sooner.

 

[tnt1234]

Regardless of the chair
If I am on a chair there is no reason to believe the person with me is uncomfortable of my mask status unless they are screaming from the chair
If they were that uptight they wouldn’t have loaded with me, a stranger
Use some common sense,
I know, it’s not common.

Huh?

I'm comfortable on a quad with a stranger if we are both masked. I am not comfortable on a quad with a stranger if they pull their last down on the ride.

 

[tnt1234]

We are on the same page
Like you I assume 0 cases have been transmitted outdoors on ski hills.

I like to take my mask down when riding the lift
Me riding alone has more to do with me not wanting to upset someone than it does worrying about my safety. The other point is you have to be comfortable so take control.
If you don’t want to take the chance of being in a chair with someone who would rather ride maskless assume that the other party feels this way and not vice versa.
If you don’t want to wear a mask on the lift assume the other unknown party will get upset and ride single.
We can choose this year and no one should get upset with you no matter your choice (on the lift.) Next year a assume I will be bitching loudly if I see empty chairs going up and I am in a long line.

This country is in for a rude awakening when we figure out how badly we have handled this.
My take is 2-3 years down the road it will be clear.

i think we agree.

 

[dblskifanatic]

So VT wanted people to quarantine or attest to that if they wanted to ski. Well the fact that you are at a resort with lots of people, probably eating out, getting food, etc,, is kind of nullifying the quarantine thing especially if you are there for a week long vacation?

 

[jimmywilson69]

yeah don't try to make sense of it...

 

[2Planker]

So VT wanted people to quarantine or attest to that if they wanted to ski. Well the fact that you are at a resort with lots of people, probably eating out, getting food, etc,, is kind of nullifying the quarantine thing especially if you are there for a week long vacation?

DUH - You're supposed to Qtine BEFORE you go to the "resort".

 

[thetrailboss]

Whoa boy.....

Vail Resorts Employee Arrested for Claiming “I Have a Gun” During Facemask Altercation In Lift-line

Realvail.com is reporting that an argument between an off-duty Vail Resorts employee and an on-duty employee over the wearing of a facemask ended with an arrest. The incident occurred at around 11 …

unofficialnetworks.com

 

[JimG.]

Whoa boy.....

Vail Resorts Employee Arrested for Claiming “I Have a Gun” During Facemask Altercation In Lift-line

Realvail.com is reporting that an argument between an off-duty Vail Resorts employee and an on-duty employee over the wearing of a facemask ended with an arrest. The incident occurred at around 11 …

unofficialnetworks.com

That's just scary. Even if he didn't have a gun.

I don't want to ski with people like that.

 

[ThatGuy]

Vail Resorts Employee Arrested for Claiming “I Have a Gun” During Facemask Altercation In Lift-line

Realvail.com is reporting that an argument between an off-duty Vail Resorts employee and an on-duty employee over the wearing of a facemask ended with an arrest. The incident occurred at around 11 …

unofficialnetworks.com

Long liftlines and people threatening your life, what an “epic” experience.

 

[PAabe]

Pennsylvania lifted official out of state travel restrictions March 1 if anybody cares, and Wolf is planning on relaxing official restaurant restrictions
Not that these were being enforced anyway but now it is official.

 

[Sunday Rivah Rat]

I think riding a chair alone verse riding a 4 with an unknown regardless of their mask status is safer. A six pack maybe but doubtful.
Why would you put yourself in the position of getting on a chair with an unknown and taking the chance they won’t behave as you want them too?

Why I Believe that Covid Derangement Syndrome Is Real

"I believe this syndrome to be real and deserving of a name that grabs attention. Such attention-grabbing is warranted, because I further believe that this syndrome poses a dangerous risk to humanity that dwarfs the risk posed by SARS-CoV-2." ~ Donald J. Boudreaux

www.aier.org

 

[1dog]

I wonder how it is spreading in VT?

Anti-mask demonstrators protest at Newport UPS Store

Anti-mask demonstrators on Monday protested outside a Newport UPS Store that is being sued by the state for violating the governor’s mask mandate.

www.wcax.com

Just lose weight helps a lot. I can't find Harvard or US study, 67% caused by obesity. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ds-thousands-Covid-19-deaths-says-report.html

 

[jimmywilson69]

but what level of obesity. The BMI calculations basically has you at obese unless you are rail thin. A co worker of mine who is less over weight than me is getting the shot because per BMI he's "Obese" I defintely qualify as obese, but am in decent shape and in my opinion lower risk than many other people who are having a hard time getting a vaccine (i.e. older people, etc).

I think that is bullshit. to qualify for the obese category a Doctor should have to sign off on it. This kid is in his mid 30s and pretty active. highly doubt a doctor would sign off on him to take a shot from a higher risk person. There is no way I'm taking a shot away from someone who is much more high risk than I.

More evidence that this vaccine rollout is a mess...

 

[1dog]

but what level of obesity. The BMI calculations basically has you at obese unless you are rail thin. A co worker of mine who is less over weight than me is getting the shot because per BMI he's "Obese" I defintely qualify as obese, but am in decent shape and in my opinion lower risk than many other people who are having a hard time getting a vaccine (i.e. older people, etc).

I think that is bullshit. to qualify for the obese category a Doctor should have to sign off on it. This kid is in his mid 30s and pretty active. highly doubt a doctor would sign off on him to take a shot from a higher risk person. There is no way I'm taking a shot away from someone who is much more high risk than I.

More evidence that this vaccine rollout is a mess...

It's worse in MA - if you smoke and are obese - you get to cut the line. Here is the study that says 67% https://justthenews.com/politics-po...-having-one-worlds-worst-covid-19-rates-study

 

[NY DirtBag]

On my way to get the vaccine now

 

[Zand]

Massachusetts Now Exempt From Maine’s COVID Travel Restrictions – CBS Boston

Loaf/Saddleback trip time!

 

[Smellytele]

Massachusetts Now Exempt From Maine’s COVID Travel Restrictions – CBS Boston

Loaf/Saddleback trip time!

do you still have to quarantine when you get back to Mass?

 

[Zand]

do you still have to quarantine when you get back to Mass?

Sure.

 

[tumbler]

Maybe it's time for VT to bring back the color coded county map showing which counties do not need to quarantine

 

[Zand]

Correct me if I'm wrong but MA and VT are the only two states in America with "mandatory" interstate travel restrictions for travelers from any other state. California does it by county so they don't count at the state level.

It makes sense for VT...its a small state, cases have been low there, and there are very few hospitals. On the other hand, the case and death rates in MA are among the worst in the country yet the state thinks it's safer to be out amongst each other here than being in a state with way less cases.

IMO, NY has always made the most sense through this whole thing. And it's scary as hell to think that.