Do skiier's hate Snowboarders?

[psyflyer]

In Technical Anaylsis that chart is still in a positive trend, very positive (bullish). In fact support would be several thousand riders less than the last print according to that chart.

a-ha, here is the chart. It's the trend that matters. The devil is in the details:

[FONT=&quot]"At the end of the 07/08 season, based on rider submissions & Ride Chronicle registrations, Ride's demographics are approximately 85% Male and 15% Female, with the largest age grouping being 18-24 years old. [/FONT]

We received the following insight from SIA's research guru Kelly Davis explaining the growth in snowboarder visits:
Participation was up across the board for 2008. It correlates with the 60.5 million (a new record) skier/rider visits to resorts reported for the 2007/08 season when La Niña conditions brought record snowfall to alpine resorts across the U.S (there were 57.4 million skier rider visits reported in the 2008/09 Kottke End of Season report). According to the NSGA Sports Participation Study, alpine skiing participation was up almost 19% and snowboarding was up 16% for 2008. The sample for the NSGA study is a bit small so we triangulate the results with the Kottke Skier/Rider visits report issued by NSAA and another participation study SIA sponsors along with OIA, SGMA, tennis, golf, NCPPA and others that includes 41,500 responses. We have two seasons of data from that study and cannot use it yet to trend participation, however, for now it serves as a good check on the trends reported by NSGA and a better view of the actual number of snowboard participants. Additionally, that study looks at participation by season rather than by year. The NSGA and the larger SIA Participation Panel study correlate well:

NSGA Participation Study (participated at least 2 times in the given year) – 5,063,000 riders in 2007 and 5,854,000 riders in 2008
SIA Participation Panel Study (participated at least 2 times in the given season) – 5,874,000 for 2006/07 and 6,099,000 riders in 2007/08

also see http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/press/nsga-snbd-07.pdf

 

[Boardguy]

Steroetypes don't come out of vacume. Boarders got bad reps because they create the rep in the first place! Boarders jump queues much more often than skiers!!!

Was the bad rep created by EVERY boarder? NO. But enough of them that the steraotype are reenforced frequently enough to NOT go away.

When 80-90% of boarders are polite and respectful, I bet the stereotype will die. (it has decreased somewhat already. But personally, I still see more rude boarders than skiers on average)

I have skied and now ride, when someone is banging into my board in the lift line it is always a skier and usually an adult. Go figure.

 

[BeanoNYC]

I rarely meet a rider I don't like. I don't judge a person by how he/she decides to get down the mountain.

 

[snafu]

Come on! Marketing doesn't have to be original. It only need to be effective!

MRG shareholders hitch onto the controversy and are milking it the best they can.

The fact this topic keeps coming up is the best evidence that marketing works better than you care to admit!

Oh, now the reason is marketing...its so hard keeping up with the MRG apologists reasoning sometimes:flame:

 

[millerm277]

Oh, now the reason is marketing...its so hard keeping up with the MRG apologists reasoning sometimes:flame:

Does it matter what the reason is? I still have not seen a reason why they should change, if it's working for them. No s*** it's discriminatory. But it's quite obviously legal, and they seem to be being quite successful. Why would they want to change the formula? Because some people who aren't the ones who own it and make decisions don't like it?

There are only two possible reasons to want to change:
- Needing money from boarders.
- Deciding that the ban is "wrong".

Quite clearly, the 1st one isn't going to happen anytime soon, especially since MRG isn't trying to make the most money possible, they just need to break even. So, that leaves the ban being "wrong." You can argue all you want about it, but quite clearly, the people in power, and it could be argued, at least a portion of the people that visit the mountain, don't share your sentiment. In short: We can debate this forever. It will never do a thing.

 

[JD]

Personally, I like the way boarders "bump stuff up" over skiers. Boarders hit bumps and ride them as berms. Eventually, they start skiing like bermed turns. When J gets skiied out, it's woods ride like that. More fun then scraping down the inside "absorbing and extending"...IMO.

 

[snafu]

Does it matter what the reason is? I still have not seen a reason why they should change, if it's working for them. No s*** it's discriminatory. But it's quite obviously legal, and they seem to be being quite successful. Why would they want to change the formula? Because some people who aren't the ones who own it and make decisions don't like it?

Of course the reason matters because there are alot of bulls**t answers that have been tossed about. Sorry I haven't gone away yet.

There are only two possible reasons to want to change:
- Needing money from boarders.
- Deciding that the ban is "wrong".

Quite clearly, the 1st one isn't going to happen anytime soon, especially since MRG isn't trying to make the most money possible, they just need to break even. So, that leaves the ban being "wrong." You can argue all you want about it, but quite clearly, the people in power, and it could be argued, at least a portion of the people that visit the mountain, don't share your sentiment. In short: We can debate this forever. It will never do a thing.

Dude, here's the deal. Lift-serviced trail access is a very limited commodity. Do you agree? I know I can go hike up any old hill and slide down. But within my day-trip radius there only lies so many lift-served trails that I can go. I also do not necessarily like the vibe of corporate-run mountains. I like glades. I like ungroomed trails and a laid-back vibe too. Oh wait, I guess I could go out and buy my own mountain, right...

(Ok, so all you skiers who still can't walk a mile in a rider's boots you might want to stop reading now, cause here goes another "racial" comment - yes again I know the comparison is strong - so strong it supposedly got ole' Betsy's knickers in a twist - and not appropriate in most aspects but...)

Why must it be pointed out that we are "beating a dead horse" or "we can debate this forever. It will never do a thing" when discussing the ban? Do you think that people who fought for equal rights where beating a dead horse? Do you think they heard over and over again (lame, unfounded) reasons for the status quo when they questioned it? How many times were they told that it wouldn't change a thing?

 

[campgottagopee]

Of course the reason matters because there are alot of bulls**t answers that have been tossed about. Sorry I haven't gone away yet.



Dude, here's the deal. Lift-serviced trail access is a very limited commodity. Do you agree? I know I can go hike up any old hill and slide down. But within my day-trip radius there only lies so many lift-served trails that I can go. I also do not necessarily like the vibe of corporate-run mountains. I like glades. I like ungroomed trails and a laid-back vibe too. Oh wait, I guess I could go out and buy my own mountain, right...

(Ok, so all you skiers who still can't walk a mile in a rider's boots you might want to stop reading now, cause here goes another "racial" comment - yes again I know the comparison is strong - so strong it supposedly got ole' Betsy's knickers in a twist - and not appropriate in most aspects but...)

Why must it be pointed out that we are "beating a dead horse" or "we can debate this forever. It will never do a thing" when discussing the ban? Do you think that people who fought for equal rights where beating a dead horse? Do you think they heard over and over again (lame, unfounded) reasons for the status quo when they questioned it? How many times were they told that it wouldn't change a thing?

Keep after 'em bud---I like your passion

 

[dmc]

I ((heart)) skiers

 

[ZYDECORICH]

No. I hate anyone who doesn't Know the Code and sits down for a chat in the middle of a trail, or disrespects that the downhill person has the right of way.

I realize that most mountains wouldn't be able to run with out both skiers and snowboarders.

+2
As redundant as this discussion has been. I have no problems with boarders. My son has been a boarder for 18 years and we attack the mountain together on a regular basis. It really comes down to safety and how you were taught to me. I don't care if you have been skiing or boarding since methuselah was around, knowing "THE CODE" is a basic standard that everyone from the get the F*** out of my way old man skier you should be sitting by the fire in the lodge having a hot toddy...to the punk cutting you off, flying on the green trail knocking over your kid or wife, blocking the entire trail, cursing on line Dou***bag. My father and oldest brother both skied when there were still lace ups and taught my entire family the right way. no one has ever gotten hurt. I think alot of that has gone away. Bravo to those who still teach it. Thanks Root. Thanks Bill.

 

[JD]

still going...

 

[dmc]

The Code is BS...

It contradicts itself...

 

[dmc]

I <3 Tele skiers...

 

[Geoff]

I ((heart)) skiers

Snowboarders were placed on earth to break up crust layers in the woods. A laudable public service to the ski community.

 

[dmc]

Snowboarders were placed on earth to break up crust layers in the woods. A laudable public service to the ski community.

thank you... I'm heading out to tele right now... I hope theres a rider chopping crust for me...

 

[abc]

Dude, here's the deal. Lift-serviced trail access is a very limited commodity. Do you agree?

"Limited commodity"?

Really?

Last time I heard, there're gazzilion of defunct hills, complete with lifts!

That's about as bullshit an arguement I've heard from the "other" side.

 

[dmc]

That's about as bullshit an arguement I've heard from the "other" side.

I <3 the "other side"

 

[ta&idaho]

I ((heart)) skiers

I <3 Tele skiers...

I <3 the "other side"

Am I the only one who thinks that

<3

looks a little like something other than

((heart))

?

[Just trying to inject some levity into this boarder brawl ;-).]

 

[dmc]

Am I the only one who thinks that looks a little like something other than ?

[Just trying to inject some levity into this boarder brawl ;-).]

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[jrad1110]

I have skied and now ride, when someone is banging into my board in the lift line it is always a skier and usually an adult. Go figure.

I've been a victim to that too many times. I really don't care if you ski or snowboard. Anyone on here who has says they don't have anything against snowboarders and then follows it with a but followed by what you don't like about boarders doesn't really support your not having anything against them. Stop closet hating! I board and skiers do annoying things but I can't change that. Boarders do a lot of annoying things too. I'm sure I do something that annoys someone but everyone needs to remember that we're out there for fun. If I wanted to be surrounded by annoying people I'd go to the mall.