Do you have to readjust when swithching between skis in your quiver?

[Grassi21]

Due to a broken brake and new fat skis I have been going back and forth between skis for the past month. I found the change over to be frustrating as well as revealing a drastic difference in my performance and the performance of the ski.

There are obvious differences of length, width, flex, and binding type. While my Nordica Hot Rods (123-78-108, turn radius 14, w/Marker integrated binding system) were in the shop I have been skiing my Volkl Gotamas (133-105-124, turn radius 23.5, w/Marker Baron bindings, twin tip). After a few runs on the Gotamas I noticed my turns seemed more parrallel compared to the Nordicas. I enjoyed these skis all over the mountain including the bumps. I want to say this rig responded much better than the Nordicas despite being longer and wider. When I got my Nordicas back I was pumped to ski a shorter, narrower ski on yesterdays hard pack. After a few runs I noticed that my turns weren't as parrallel and I had a slight wedge in my turns.

What can I attribute the difference in performance to? The obvious answer is a combination of many things. But this comparison got me thinking and reading. I reread this thread on flat skis and systems. In the end I am trying to decide if the Nordicas binding system and dimensions are what's not clicking with me. If so I would attempt to sell the Nordica and seek out a longer flat ski that I can mount with my choice of binding.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Am I over analyzing?

 

[2knees]

i have no idea why you'd feel like your turns are more "parallel" with the gotamas. perhaps its just the perception due to their width? also, you were skiing the gotomas on spring slush and then tried the nordicas on frozen hardpack. that may have more to do with it then anything else.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Oh hell yeah..a few weeks ago I switched from my Elan S12s which are 176s and 67mm underfoot to my Nordica Blowers which are 193s and 110mm underfoot..my stance is a little wider on fat skis and I don't get as low in my carves and I'm also more comfortable straightlining choppy crud..

 

[mondeo]

If so I would attempt to sell the Nordica and seek out a longer flat ski that I can mount with my choice of binding.

http://forums.alpinezone.com/51334-auction-173-cm-k2-cabrawler-mogul-skis-w-look-px12s.html
;-)

 

[Grassi21]

i have no idea why you'd feel like your turns are more "parallel" with the gotamas. perhaps its just the perception due to their width? also, you were skiing the gotomas on spring slush and then tried the nordicas on frozen hardpack. that may have more to do with it then anything else.

I see where you are coming from regarding surface conditions. But I thought they were more parallel and Greg confirmed it one day with his observations.

I don't think I am advanced enough to feel the differences in bindings and side cut. I thought others might offer a more technical explanation for what I am feeling. Pat, do you care about my feelings? ;-) :lol:

 

[Grassi21]

http://forums.alpinezone.com/51334-auction-173-cm-k2-cabrawler-mogul-skis-w-look-px12s.html
;-)

Hell no. If I do end up selling the Hot Rods I would go for a length in the low/mid 170, around 85 underfoot on a flat ski. I do like the Barons so maybe I would seek out a comparable binding without a touring mode. Isn't the that the Marker Jester?

 

[o3jeff]

The other weekend I had my Mythic Riders out with a system binding and didn't notice a big difference other than it is a slower turning ski over my Elan 777 which are flat mounted. IIRC you have a small hoof like I do, if you want to take the Elans for a spin sometimes, let me know.

 

[Grassi21]

The other weekend I had my Mythic Riders out with a system binding and didn't notice a big difference other than it is a slower turning ski over my Elan 777 which are flat mounted. IIRC you have a small hoof like I do, if you want to take the Elans for a spin sometimes, let me know.

Cool. You have been on several different boards lately.

 

[o3jeff]

Cool. You have been on several different boards lately.

Can interest you in a very slightly use pair of K2 PE, 169 length, 85 underfoot flat mounted with Marker 12.0?

 

[Greg]

After a few runs on the Gotamas I noticed my turns seemed more parrallel compared to the Nordicas....After a few runs I noticed that my turns weren't as parrallel and I had a slight wedge in my turns.

I noticed this too. Not sure why. Maybe you're trying to close up your stance more on the Nordicas, perhaps resulting in an unnatural stance? Maybe knowing the Goats are fatter you weren't trying to do this as much? Not sure if any of that holds water....just a thought.

Also, if you look down to evaluate your stance, you probably will wedge a little bit. It might be subconscious due to the fact that you're not looking ahead and you instinctively wedge a bit to slow yourself down. Next time you're out on the Nordicas, just ski vs. trying to evaluate your stance. Keep your chin up and look far down the run and charge it. If it feels good it will probably look good.

 

[sLoPeS]

Thoughts? Suggestions? Am I over analyzing?

i think ur over analyzing it. huff one, throw on some tunes, and have some fun. always go back to the basics when in doubt. oh, and make sure ur skis are tuned.

 

[Greg]

Back to the original question, I do ski my Legends differently than my bump skis, mostly because I'm skiing them on different types of terrain and usually on different conditions.

 

[sLoPeS]

Hell no. If I do end up selling the Hot Rods I would go for a length in the low/mid 170, around 85 underfoot on a flat ski. I do like the Barons so maybe I would seek out a comparable binding without a touring mode. Isn't the that the Marker Jester?

Duke : Jester

Baron : Griffon

 

[2knees]

I see where you are coming from regarding surface conditions. But I thought they were more parallel and Greg confirmed it one day with his observations.

I don't think I am advanced enough to feel the differences in bindings and side cut. I thought others might offer a more technical explanation for what I am feeling. Pat, do you care about my feelings? ;-) :lol:

see what i get for being a dick most of the time....

I was being sincere for once. I cant offer you any real advice cause:
A) I ski on one set of skis under all conditions
B) I dont really know what the hell i'm doing, i just do it.
C) I care deeply about your feelings, as a matter of fact, i was just going to send you an E-Greeting.

 

[Grassi21]

i think ur over analyzing it. huff one, throw on some tunes, and have some fun. always go back to the basics when in doubt. oh, and make sure ur skis are tuned.

sage advice in bold above... i'm all tuned up on both sets of boards.

 

[Grassi21]

Duke : Jester

Baron : Griffon

thanks.

 

[Grassi21]

see what i get for being a dick most of the time....

I was being sincere for once. I cant offer you any real advice cause:
A) I ski on one set of skis under all conditions
B) I dont really know what the hell i'm doing, i just do it.
C) I care deeply about your feelings, as a matter of fact, i was just going to send you an E-Greeting.

:lol: Pat, you are the man.

 

[Highway Star]

I constantly switch between many pairs of skis, sometimes during the ski day. Each ski requires changes in technique and style to ski properly. It's impossible to ski a fat powder ski the same way as a short radius carving ski.

If you can't ski those nordicas the right way, maybe you aren't carving and need to take some lessons?

 

[Grassi21]

I constantly switch between many pairs of skis, sometimes during the ski day. Each ski requires changes in technique and style to ski properly. It's impossible to ski a fat powder ski the same way as a short radius carving ski.

If you can't ski those nordicas the right way, maybe you aren't carving and need to take some lessons?

i would def. agree that my carving skills are lacking.

 

[Glenn]

I've got a set of HotRods as well. I find those skis like to be opened up and muscled around. When you get going and crank on them, they deliver. That's not to say you can't ski at a more moderate pace or in the bumps with them though.

I skied on my twins recently for the first time in awhile. 175 Nothing But Trouble with a PX-10, Dynastar branded binding....flat, non system mount..mounted a bit farther forward than the Hotrods. These skis aren't as good as the Hotrods are for going at a good clip. But I do find them easier to manuver around and make shorter, more slalom like turns. I also find they're easier to initiate turn in, especially in tight quarters or in bumps.

Hotrods are 178's, twins are 175's.

I do have to adjust my style a bit, but I find about a 1/4 way through the first run, I'm pretty well adapted.