Double Fall Lines: Love 'em or hate 'em?

[kcyanks1]

Whats so bad about Cloudspin for snowboarders? Theres no annoying traverses like Gore has, no real runout, and a sustained pitch. Other than the fact that it bumps up whats so bad. I ride and have yet to encounter any difficulty on Cloud.

By shortening "Cloudspin" to "Cloud," I think you are confusing the other poster, and he is thinking of Cloud at Gore, not Cloudspin at Whiteface.

 

[kcyanks1]

Here's my gaper question of the day...what is a "triple fall line"? ;-)

lol. There's a 60 degree trail in PA that has one, I think.

 

[Birdman829]

OK. I definitely love double fall lines and other interesting natural features, but there's nothing wrong with a good old-fashioned wide steep groomer once in a while to let your inner racer out. Basically if it's got snow on it, I love skiing it.

 

[andyzee]

One double fall line that is a bit decieving is Down Draft running into Double Dipper at Killington. There have been time I didn't realize that it's a DFL and there were big bumps or ice and it just kind of throws you.

 

[Newpylong]

Good call. Lower half of Dipper has a DFL. Also, how about Highline! That one is very prominent....

 

[ctenidae]

Here's my gaper question of the day...what is a "triple fall line"? ;-)

Ski Denton, the "Steepest Pitch in the East" claims to have a triple fall line. We figure that the TFL, combined with the astronomical speeds you can achieve on a 60+ degree slope, makes it possible to create a space/time warp, so that when you get to the bottom of the run, you're actually at the top, and you get to do it again.

Saves tons on running the lift.

 

[andyzee]

Good call. Lower half of Dipper has a DFL. Also, how about Highline! That one is very prominent....

Never really noticed a DFL on Highline, if there, I think it's minimal:

 

[Greg]

Bump.

 

[skiNEwhere]

Shockwave at SR, which I also think is one of the most underrated trails in NE, since White heat takes all the attention.

 

[deadheadskier]

Shockwave at SR, which I also think is one of the most underrated trails in NE, since White heat takes all the attention.

indeed....great dfl and great trail

 

[prisnah]

Shockwave is a pretty sick trail...I don't know why white heat grabs all the attention, probably cuz of the way they market it or used to market it, personally I think it's junk. Another good DFL is on Upper Exhibition at JP.

 

[2knees]

i'v always noticed that highline has a rather pronounced double fall line.

Not really double fall lines but the hard left turns on some of the hunter trails are always tough in regards to trying to hold a line in the bumps. I think i tried all day last december on hellgate to maintain a line around the turn and wasnt able to do it.

twilight zone at magic has a nice double fall line.

 

[JD]

I like a good bottom turn, but I like the terrain to change thru the course of a run. DFL the whole way get's old.

 

[tree_skier]

Now the term double fall line is a oxymoron and only gapers use it. from wikipedia the definition of a fall line is;

In alpine skiing, a fall line refers to the line down a mountain or hill which is most directly downwards. This can be visualized as the route a ball would take if it were started rolling at the summit, and rolled to the bottom.

So please tell me where the laws of physics don't count and the ball will roll in 2 directions at once.

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

Now the term double fall line is a oxymoron and only gapers use it. from wikipedia the definition of a fall line is;

In alpine skiing, a fall line refers to the line down a mountain or hill which is most directly downwards. This can be visualized as the route a ball would take if it were started rolling at the summit, and rolled to the bottom.

So please tell me where the laws of physics don't count and the ball will roll in 2 directions at once.

single fall lines are on a single axis, double fall line, double axis. pick up a peice of paper, angle it into a straight slope...single fall line, now take that straight slope and rotate it clockwise, counter clockwise, you decide...now you've got a double fall line. Sure, the ball is only going to take one route down, but there are two angles to the pitch.

 

[Greg]

Now the term double fall line is a oxymoron and only gapers use it.

I am a gaper.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Now the term double fall line is a oxymoron and only gapers use it. from wikipedia the definition of a fall line is;

In alpine skiing, a fall line refers to the line down a mountain or hill which is most directly downwards. This can be visualized as the route a ball would take if it were started rolling at the summit, and rolled to the bottom.

So please tell me where the laws of physics don't count and the ball will roll in 2 directions at once.

Good point on the physics. Upper Cloudspin at WF has a true double fall line, IMO, because depending on where you are on the trail the ball will either run off to the left or straight down the trail.

I do think the term is over used. I remember someone awhile ago wrote that Claire's at Hunter has a double fall line. No way. When skiing Upper Cloudspin you can literally turn left and make many turns down to the edge of the trail or take a line straight down the trail. It's the best double fall line trail I've ever been on anywhere.

To me a trail isn't double fall line just because it tilts a little left or right.

 

[JimG.]

The ground is the ground. I honestly don't think much about the contours. Sometimes the undulations are a function of snowmaking piles. Whatever.

Ski it.

 

[tree_skier]

The fall line is relative to the point you are talking about and in simple terms is the direction a ball would take from that spot. Again physics dictate that the ball will only go in on direction from any one point. I would like someone to show me the point where the ball will go 2 directions and thus give us a double fall line.

 

[tree_skier]

Good point on the physics. Upper Cloudspin at WF has a true double fall line, IMO, because depending on where you are on the trail the ball will either run off to the left or straight down the trail..

The fall line is from a point. if you look at it as being the line the ball takes from the top of the trail then every angle change indicates a new fall line and unless the trail is perfectly flat then you will have a very large number of fall lines.