EVs - New Hampshire gets it right

[Edd]

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

From GM to Tesla to Mercedes, execs across the auto industry are tempering expectations on electric vehicles.

www.yahoo.com

Makes sense to me. We should be pushing plug-in hybrids with the same enthusiasm EVs are being pushed. That's the natural next step from hybrids, which have been successful for some mainstream manufacturers. And I say all that because, as mentioned, our infrastructure for charging vehicles is a joke compared to the EV ambitions. Anyone can own a plug-in hybrid; charge it when you can but it won't leave you fucking stranded 10 miles from Sugarloaf.

 

[Harvey]

Is a regular hybrid less likely to explode then an EV, or is it just that it is a smaller explosion?

 

[BodeMiller1]

Drudge picked

Is a regular hybrid less likely to explode then an EV, or is it just that it is a smaller explosion?

Given the gas tank, I'm going with what's behind door number 2. Bigger, more stored energy. The shocks, pistons and such will also create shock waves, butt gas is the bomb.

 

[ss20]

Back to the original topic...

Ford will postpone about $12 billion in EV investment as buyers become more cautious

Ford said customers in North America are unwilling to pay a premium for an EV.

www.cnbc.com

Ford Motor said Thursday that many customers in North America are no longer willing to pay a premium for an electric vehicle over an internal-combustion or hybrid alternative.

As a result, it’s postponing about $12 billion in planned spending on new EV manufacturing capacity.

 

[BodeMiller1]

Back to the original topic...

Ford will postpone about $12 billion in EV investment as buyers become more cautious

Ford said customers in North America are unwilling to pay a premium for an EV.

www.cnbc.com

They were also the first to reach a tentative agreement with the union witch shut down the highest grossing plant in the world.

At least FORD's trucks look like trucks. Most people who work don't want to freak out the customers.

Back on topic, Granite is correct as usual.

King Friday - OUT

 

[skef]

Ho, hum

 

[BenedictGomez]

Makes sense to me. We should be pushing plug-in hybrids with the same enthusiasm EVs are being pushed. That's the natural next step from hybrids, which have been successful for some mainstream manufacturers. And I say all that because, as mentioned, our infrastructure for charging vehicles is a joke compared to the EV ambitions. Anyone can own a plug-in hybrid; charge it when you can but it won't leave you fucking stranded 10 miles from Sugarloaf.

It's so incredibly obvious this should have been the path forward, but hybrids got betamax'd due to far-left political ideology. That ship has sailed.

 

[joshua segal]

It's a pretty long thread at this point and someone may have said this already. NH already has had a precedent for charging those with automobiles
that don't use gasoline. Diesel fuel used to be untaxed and even hard to find. Until it was taxed, NH used to have this kind of diesel surcharge (or tax, if you prefer) at registration.

 

[bigbob]

It's a pretty long thread at this point and someone may have said this already. NH already has had a precedent for charging those with automobiles
that don't use gasoline. Diesel fuel used to be untaxed and even hard to find. Until it was taxed, NH used to have this kind of diesel surcharge (or tax, if you prefer) at registration.

I remember those days. it was APITA to keep records for a pick up truck!

 

[mister moose]

This week, Honda announced that it was abandoning its plans to release a lineup of smaller, sub $30,000 EVs

Chairman of Toyota Motor Akio Toyoda said that with the drop in demand for EVs in the US, the industry is having a reckoning about the technology.
"People are finally seeing reality," Toyoda said, as quoted by The Wall Street Journal.

one of the biggest automakers to sound the alarm was General Motors. At an earnings call this week, the company said that it's ditching its target to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year, and 400,000 by the first half of 2024. It has not stated new targets

 

[JimG.]

One of the biggest automakers to sound the alarm was General Motors. At an earnings call this week, the company said that it's ditching its target to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year, and 400,000 by the first half of 2024. It has not stated new targets

GM's self-driving taxi program has been halted in California as well. The vehicles have proven themselves to be dangerous.

 

[cdskier]

This week, Honda announced that it was abandoning its plans to release a lineup of smaller, sub $30,000 EVs

Chairman of Toyota Motor Akio Toyoda said that with the drop in demand for EVs in the US, the industry is having a reckoning about the technology.
"People are finally seeing reality," Toyoda said, as quoted by The Wall Street Journal.

one of the biggest automakers to sound the alarm was General Motors. At an earnings call this week, the company said that it's ditching its target to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year, and 400,000 by the first half of 2024. It has not stated new targets

This is all very shocking (not). I fully agree with what some others have said that hybrids should have been the initial focus before trying to push the huge jump directly to pure EV.

 

[ss20]

Ford stock down a massive 12% partly due to the strike and party due to massive losses in it's EV space (and lack of growth for EVs too)

 

[1dog]

This is all very shocking (not). I fully agree with what some others have said that hybrids should have been the initial focus before trying to push the huge jump directly to pure EV.

Here's more evidence to support your ( and others on this forum) claim; https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_a609f8aa-7443-11ee-83d3-df5b22909078.html
Cliff Note version:
Toyota estimates that the batteries from one EV can power 90 hybrids and reduce emissions 37 times more than that one EV.

 

[SenorQuesadilla]

GM's self-driving taxi program has been halted in California as well. The vehicles have proven themselves to be dangerous.

Waymo (owned by google) doesn't seem to be having any problems...you see a self driving taxi about every 10 minutes or so if you're in a place with decent traffic.

 

[BodeMiller1]

Waymo (owned by google) doesn't seem to be having any problems...you see a self driving taxi about every 10 minutes or so if you're in a place with decent traffic.

The self-driving car will never feel bad when it wipes out a crowded sidewalk. That's the problem. AI is a series of algorithms run in sequence or parallel. Nothing more, much less.

If BetaMax was better than why wasn't it AlphaMax?

You won't see this on channel 4 - and that might be a good thing.

The od to the master will only last until month-end.

 

[BodeMiller1]

This week, Honda announced that it was abandoning its plans to release a lineup of smaller, sub $30,000 EVs

Chairman of Toyota Motor Akio Toyoda said that with the drop in demand for EVs in the US, the industry is having a reckoning about the technology.
"People are finally seeing reality," Toyoda said, as quoted by The Wall Street Journal.

one of the biggest automakers to sound the alarm was General Motors. At an earnings call this week, the company said that it's ditching its target to build 100,000 EVs in the second half of this year, and 400,000 by the first half of 2024. It has not stated new targets

Almost ALL of this is coming out of our good friends in China. Support dear leader.

 

[eatskisleep]

Here's more evidence to support your ( and others on this forum) claim; https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_a609f8aa-7443-11ee-83d3-df5b22909078.html
Cliff Note version:
Toyota estimates that the batteries from one EV can power 90 hybrids and reduce emissions 37 times more than that one EV.

Great article thanks!

 

[JimG.]

Waymo (owned by google) doesn't seem to be having any problems...you see a self driving taxi about every 10 minutes or so if you're in a place with decent traffic.

Well good for Waymo!

To me, this all smacks of flying the airplane while you're building it. So, I'll stay safe and refrain from visiting LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, and Austin. Not looking to get taken out by a Waymo driverless vehicle.

Too bad, Phoenix is a lovely city. The other cities you couldn't pay me to visit.

 

[zyk]

Here's more evidence to support your ( and others on this forum) claim; https://www.thecentersquare.com/national/article_a609f8aa-7443-11ee-83d3-df5b22909078.html
Cliff Note version:
Toyota estimates that the batteries from one EV can power 90 hybrids and reduce emissions 37 times more than that one EV.

Reading this with 3 hybrids lined up in the driveway (not all mine). Not too expensive, no range anxiety. Often run rural back roads, seasonal roads, logging roads, etc. Most small towns will have a gas station but charging? Haven't seen any in those areas. Well maybe one somewhere.