EVs - New Hampshire gets it right

[kbroderick]

Well good for Waymo!

To me, this all smacks of flying the airplane while you're building it. So, I'll stay safe and refrain from visiting LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, and Austin. Not looking to get taken out by a Waymo driverless vehicle.

Too bad, Phoenix is a lovely city. The other cities you couldn't pay me to visit.

The difference from the airplane analogy is that it's more akin to adding more safety features to airplanes even while we have plenty flying around that lack those features. Computer-driven cars don't have to be safe to be an improvement; they only need to be safer than human-driven cars. More to the point, they only need to be safer than a car driven by the average human paying an average amount of attention to the task at hand.

Given how I feel about the average human driver these days, that doesn't seem a particularly high bar.

 

[Harvey]

It's so incredibly obvious this should have been the path forward, but hybrids got betamax'd due to far-left political ideology. That ship has sailed.

I don't see the conspiracy. The market is communicating and the manufacturers are responding.

 

[MadPadraic]

Is a regular hybrid less likely to explode then an EV, or is it just that it is a smaller explosion?

Stats are hard to come by, and I remember this from several years ago (when the Model 3 was just entering production), but conditioned on vehicle age, gas cars are far more likely to catch on fire than EVs. That, of course, doesn't condition on lots of other things like geographical effect, miles driven, etc etc. Perhaps the data has changed.

This week, Honda announced that it was abandoning its plans to release a lineup of smaller, sub $30,000 EVs

Perhaps its because they don't think demand is there, or perhaps it's because they can't figure out how to build them cheaply at scale and are diverting attention from their own engineering failures. I obviously have no direct knowledge of it, but I've certainly seen big company execs do similar things on the regular.

To me, this all smacks of flying the airplane while you're building it. So, I'll stay safe and refrain from visiting LA, San Francisco, Phoenix, and Austin. Not looking to get taken out by a Waymo driverless vehicle.

Too bad, Phoenix is a lovely city. The other cities you couldn't pay me to visit.

I've never been to Phoenix. The weather scares me in the summer, and it's not exactly a destination for skiing/snowboarding. I've always really enjoyed my trips to SF and LA. In another life, I'd happily live in LA.

Given how I feel about the average human driver these days, that doesn't seem a particularly high bar.

Agreed. A regular topic of discussion is "are MA or NH drivers worse." They are bad in different ways. Anyway---self driving is probably already better than the average driver in average conditions, but move too far away from typical conditions and safety issues emerge.

 

[JimG.]

The difference from the airplane analogy is that it's more akin to adding more safety features to airplanes even while we have plenty flying around that lack those features. Computer-driven cars don't have to be safe to be an improvement; they only need to be safer than human-driven cars. More to the point, they only need to be safer than a car driven by the average human paying an average amount of attention to the task at hand.

Given how I feel about the average human driver these days, that doesn't seem a particularly high bar.

My real point with the airplane reference is that the industry is plowing ahead with these electric/autonomous mandates before the actual infrastructure to make it feasible for the average car owner is in place. Perhaps that is by design?

 

[JimG.]

I've never been to Phoenix. The weather scares me in the summer, and it's not exactly a destination for skiing/snowboarding. I've always really enjoyed my trips to SF and LA. In another life, I'd happily live in LA.

I've been in Phoenix and Scottsdale and I could see myself retired in either place. Arizona Snowbowl is not that far away in Flagstaff. Beautiful region.

Been to LA, SF and San Diego and they're nice places to visit but I'd never be able to live there.

 

[BodeMiller1]

Oakland (CA), Eugene (OR) was expecting more in terms of humanity. The Land and everything (but the people) were cool. Never going back. No way, what a mess.

I don't know but I've been told it's far, far worse these days.

When the sun goes down the horrible, horribles come out. The monsters are dangerous and dirty just like the cities they live in. There's nothing there I can't find in New England. I'm old enough skiing 2,000 vert will do. Skiing at 8,000 feet. Meh

Love to go to Vancouver for obvious reasons.

We need a technological breakthrough to move the ball down the field with EVs. Not sure what it will be. Aren't we supposed to have flying cars by now. 3D printers are a great idea too bad they can print untraceable guns. But, if you look at history, people are always afraid of the unknown and should be until the kinks are worked out. I still have an issue with EZPASS knowing where I've been. It's none of anyone's business.

For now, as others have mentioned hybrids are where it's at.

 

[BodeMiller1]

The difference from the airplane analogy is that it's more akin to adding more safety features to airplanes even while we have plenty flying around that lack those features. Computer-driven cars don't have to be safe to be an improvement; they only need to be safer than human-driven cars. More to the point, they only need to be safer than a car driven by the average human paying an average amount of attention to the task at hand.

Given how I feel about the average human driver these days, that doesn't seem a particularly high bar.

In New Hampshire if you got caught driving after having your license pulled as a habitual offender you did at least a year in the state prison. Now, you get 2 weeks. It's amazing how poorly people drive. I blame video games at least in part. There's no other explanation.

 

[Harvey]

Stats are hard to come by, and I remember this from several years ago (when the Model 3 was just entering production), but conditioned on vehicle age, gas cars are far more likely to catch on fire than EVs. That, of course, doesn't condition on lots of other things like geographical effect, miles driven, etc etc. Perhaps the data has changed.

What about my phone, what are the odds that it will blow up? It's a small explosion but right next to my head!

I was sort of kidding. It seems hybrids are more accepted while EVs get political.

 

[ghughes20]

Am I the only one that finds it fascinating that a thread on EVs goes 29 pages in a skiing forum?

(Full disclosure; Tesla Owner and non-contributor to this discussion until now)

 

[180]

Well Waterville is making snow!

 

[1dog]

Am I the only one that finds it fascinating that a thread on EVs goes 29 pages in a skiing forum?

(Full disclosure; Tesla Owner and non-contributor to this discussion until now)

Welcome GH. It's kinda interesting, but given most of us drive to the ski areas, and as most would agree, that anticipation on said drive, is one of the highlights of the whole skiing/riding experience. Ride home. . .no so much ( hence, the need for self-driving car experience info)

We are interested in technology, driving in weather, saving $$ on fuel, some saving the planet, and rest of us saving fossil fuels for ski/board/boot manufacturers who use them in spades.

So, what's your experience with Mr. Musk and his product? How long you had it? Miles driven? Cold weather/snow performance. Pros/cons?

( Not sure there is another Tesla owner on this subject)

 

[BodeMiller1]

What about my phone, what are the odds that it will blow up? It's a small explosion but right next to my head!

I was sort of kidding. It seems hybrids are more accepted while EVs get political.

You're good, of course the radiation from the phone will make you loose your hair and then...

 

[BodeMiller1]

Welcome GH. It's kinda interesting, but given most of us drive to the ski areas, and as most would agree, that anticipation on said drive, is one of the highlights of the whole skiing/riding experience. Ride home. . .no so much ( hence, the need for self-driving car experience info)

We are interested in technology, driving in weather, saving $$ on fuel, some saving the planet, and rest of us saving fossil fuels for ski/board/boot manufacturers who use them in spades.

So, what's your experience with Mr. Musk and his product? How long you had it? Miles driven? Cold weather/snow performance. Pros/cons?

( Not sure there is another Tesla owner on this subject)

Tesla was off 20% today. Citing no one wants the guy's cars. At least twitter I mean "X" is, ah never mind.

 

[eatskisleep]

Tesla was off 20% today. Citing no one wants the guy's cars. At least twitter I mean "X" is, ah never mind.

TSLA stock up 1.76% today…

 

[ghughes20]

Welcome GH. It's kinda interesting, but given most of us drive to the ski areas, and as most would agree, that anticipation on said drive, is one of the highlights of the whole skiing/riding experience. Ride home. . .no so much ( hence, the need for self-driving car experience info)

We are interested in technology, driving in weather, saving $$ on fuel, some saving the planet, and rest of us saving fossil fuels for ski/board/boot manufacturers who use them in spades.

So, what's your experience with Mr. Musk and his product? How long you had it? Miles driven? Cold weather/snow performance. Pros/cons?

( Not sure there is another Tesla owner on this subject)

I've had a Model Y for 22 months. Given that this was my first EV, I went with a lease. Once the lease expires in 14 months, I will be buying another Model Y. (Oddly, I don't have the option to buy the Model Y at the end of the lease. That wasn't an option when I signed the lease).

I like the car a lot.

I have FSD and have seen it improve dramatically since I've owned the car. FSD on the highway is very reliable. It does make long drives more relaxing, especially on the highway. My wife's ICE car has a lane assist system that isn't nearly as good, but does help. We take her car to VT about 50% of the time. Her car is bigger.

There have been a few recalls, but the Over-The-Air updates takes care of them. OTA updates are one of the best parts of owning the car. I get new features all the time.

I installed a 50amp outlet in my garage for charging. I rarely charge away from home. Though I do when I go to VT in the winter. More on that below...

I live in NJ (don't judge me), and ski almost exclusively at Stratton (don't judge me!!!). The trip is about 190 miles each way. The stated range of the car is approx 320 miles. That said, driving at highway speeds in the winter significantly impacts range. Using the heat depletes the battery fast, and the Model Y has a heat pump and is probably one of the most efficient heating systems in an EV. Winter range driving to VT is probably about 220, if I had to guess. So, if the car is charged up to 85% or higher, no worries. If not, I would need to plug into a Tesla Super Charger for 10 mins or so to add enough range to get to the mountain. There are several Super Chargers en route that are convenient. Once at Stratton, they have approximately 10 charging spots in parking Lot 1 and 3 by the visitors center. Both locations are walking distance to where I stay, so very convenient. Those spots charge at the same pace as the outlet in my garage, nowhere near as fast as a Tesla Super Charger, but given that I'm there for the weekend there's plenty of time to charge the car. Also, if you're only there for the day skiing, you'll have 6+ hours which probably adds 150 miles of range for most EVs.

I find the anti-tesla stuff amusing. It's political more than anything else. Elon Musk is very rich, and very weird. An easy target. But, IMO, Tesla make the best EVs and the dealer experience is way better than legacy brands. I will be a repeat customer.

 

[BodeMiller1]

TSLA stock up 1.76% today…

TSLA NASDAQ

Intraday DOWN .370000 USD

200.84
USD▲ +3.48 (+1.76%) today
200.47▼ 0.37 (0.18%)After Hours ·
October 31, 7:23 PM EDT · Market Closed

EDIT: Sorry I mistook the stock being at a 5 month low....

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/stocks/tesla-hits-5-month-low-down-20-from-q3-earnings-amid-fading-ev-demand

 

[BodeMiller1]

It will start trading again when the markets open In New York, NY...

Glacon, the trick to wealth is to collect basis points.

MEOW

 

[BodeMiller1]

It will start trading again when the markets open In New York, NY...

Glacon, the trick to wealth is to collect basis points.

MEOW

I'll concede "X".
53.70
USD▲ +10.45 (+24.16%) past month
October 27, 7:59 PM EDT · Market Closed

Catching falling knives is hazardous to your health.

 

[BodeMiller1]

NSR
Inflation has caught up with me. I'm paying more for three credits at Suffolk than a whole semester at U.N.H.

Butt, I will still drive high powered sports cars...

The bad hombre

OUT

 

[Harvey]

I live in NJ (don't judge me), and ski almost exclusively at Stratton (don't judge me!!!). The trip is about 190 miles each way. The stated range of the car is approx 320 miles. That said, driving at highway speeds in the winter significantly impacts range. Using the heat depletes the battery fast, and the Model Y has a heat pump and is probably one of the most efficient heating systems in an EV. Winter range driving to VT is probably about 220, if I had to guess. So, if the car is charged up to 85% or higher, no worries. If not, I would need to plug into a Tesla Super Charger for 10 mins or so to add enough range to get to the mountain. There are several Super Chargers en route that are convenient. Once at Stratton, they have approximately 10 charging spots in parking Lot 1 and 3 by the visitors center. Both locations are walking distance to where I stay, so very convenient. Those spots charge at the same pace as the outlet in my garage, nowhere near as fast as a Tesla Super Charger, but given that I'm there for the weekend there's plenty of time to charge the car. Also, if you're only there for the day skiing, you'll have 6+ hours which probably adds 150 miles of range for most EVs.

Can you find a place for dinner that is halfway, that has a charger?

Do they have a charger at Scotty's truckstop off exit 16 on the northway?