EVs - New Hampshire gets it right

[Edd]

Back to EV viability - I'm one of these, kinda - have plug in- leaving to go ICE or hybrid non-plug in.

Nearly 50% of EV owners chose ICE vehicle for subsequent purchase, S&P Global Mobility study shows

Nearly half of households with non-Tesla electric vehicles (EVs) made an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle their next auto purchase, according to a new analysis. It doesn’t necessarily…

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What’s the downside to hybrid plug-in?

 

[1dog]

What’s the downside to hybrid plug-in?

takes all night - literally 11 hours - to charge. Took it too central VT day after Christmas to ski Stratton- 30 min. into drive battery was half gone and it uses electricity only under 35-40 PH - I was on interstate whole time - it was 12 degrees outside.
I'm relatively. sure the same problem exists with high output charging cars.

Like the car - just too expensive, and PITA to plug in every other night ( we do not have a garage)
Never measured actual cost on KWh either. Others have and some say its more expensive to generate the electricity to charge battery.

On plus side, I took her car yesterday to work. Mostly on battery it registered 55+ MPG to almost 75 MPG as with some traffic I was under 40 MPH most of the way.

 

[x10003q]

That's absolutely the case. It's a last 30'ish years or so phenomena, and I completely fail to understand it. A weird macho thing? I mean, it is mostly men, and it's 100% fact that "many" (I'd say a majority) rarely if ever use the bed, so WTH is the point? An SUV or other class is a far better pragmatic choice for the majority.

Some of the huge increase has to do with car companies higher profits on light duty vehicles vs passenger cars because these light duty vehicles have lower emission requirements due to the how they are defined by the EPA. For example, a vehicle designed for 'off road use' can have lower emission requirements. Pick-ups fall under these regulations.

"Since 2011, each vehicle’s fuel-economy target is based on its footprint (a multiple of track width and wheelbase length). Subaru could do nothing other than put a lift kit on an Impreza wagon so that it meets four of the five off-road requirements, and voila! The resulting Crosstrek is now a non-passenger-vehicle and given extra credit on the Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, test."

This article from Road and Track does a pretty good job explaining what has happened due to these regulations.

How Ugly Chins Help SUVs Dodge Regulations

The unappealing overbite of the modern SUV isn't a coincidence.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

[Harvey]

Good example, but almost all the Prius owners have moved on to Tesla.

Would like to see data.

We didn't move on yet, ours is 11 years old, still reliable. Would not consider buying a tesla.

 

[1dog]

Some of the huge increase has to do with car companies higher profits on light duty vehicles vs passenger cars because these light duty vehicles have lower emission requirements due to the how they are defined by the EPA. For example, a vehicle designed for 'off road use' can have lower emission requirements. Pick-ups fall under these regulations.

"Since 2011, each vehicle’s fuel-economy target is based on its footprint (a multiple of track width and wheelbase length). Subaru could do nothing other than put a lift kit on an Impreza wagon so that it meets four of the five off-road requirements, and voila! The resulting Crosstrek is now a non-passenger-vehicle and given extra credit on the Corporate Average Fuel Economy, or CAFE, test."

This article from Road and Track does a pretty good job explaining what has happened due to these regulations.

How Ugly Chins Help SUVs Dodge Regulations

The unappealing overbite of the modern SUV isn't a coincidence.

www.roadandtrack.com

Exhibit A on government overreach. Writer has the required tongue-in-cheek style.

Rule of Unintended Consequences on full display.

 

[Smellytele]

For you CT folks...

EVs: CT Governor's push to ban sale of new gas-powered cars

Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont wants to phase out the sale of new gas-powered cars by 2035, calling the concept “a North Star.” Lamont argues it will not only reduce pollution, but that the shift to EV production in the U.S. will ultimately be a job creator. When it comes to his state's...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[Hawk]

I don't know why government overreach bothers you. The new repubicans are taking over and will make america great again. you will have less govenment, more guns, less imagration and more bible for all. Just stick it out.

I will watch it all from my condo in the Dolimites and Chamonix

 

[Andrew B.]

I drive a truck because I like a truck. I don't understand the appeal of sports cars personally...but if that's what people want...so be it. It is their money. I'm not going to tell others what to do.

FWIW, I don't have a leather interior in my current truck either (although I did in my previous truck, but that was more because at the time the only way to get the rear-view camera and larger display with nav system was to get a higher level package that included leather seats).

I have to have leather in anything now. It’s the only thing that looks decent after 150k and we usually run our vehicles well past that.My GMC is 180k and our 4 runner just crack a hundo.

I have always drove pick ups. I grew up in a construction family and passed my license test at 16.5 in a 22 wheel low boy. The registry officer just shook his head when he saw me coming but he knew my sponsor so he let me do it. Passed with flying colors.

I will say i really only need the truck now is for a few trips to Homies and to put in/take out our boat in the spring and fall. Or to help one of my kids move.

Anyone remember the old WT series Chevy’s?That was my first brand new pick up. 2WD and a full length bed.

I can see myself in a sportier car as I age, like fine wine!

 

[Domeskier]

I don't know why government overreach bothers you. The new repubicans are taking over and will make america great again. you will have less govenment, more guns, less imagration and more bible for all. Just stick it out.

I will watch it all from my condo in the Dolimites and Chamonix

Perhaps with the great-great grandkid of this guy?

 

[BenedictGomez]

( we do not have a garage)

This is a huge EV adoption problem that many pro-EV people are totally naïve of, and the people pushing the EV adoption are well aware of, and intentionally do not mention. It's not a trivial thing. Invest in the pickaxes and shovels now.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Would like to see data.

We didn't move on yet, ours is 11 years old, still reliable. Would not consider buying a tesla.

Tesla currently has about 55% share. That's absolutely massive.

Here's a partial list of the companies selling EVs for sale in the domestic US market off the top of my head:

Tesla
Toyota
GM
Ford
Polestar
Audi
Subaru
Fisker
Rivian
Lucid
Chevy
BMW
and more.......

And yet Tesla has over 50% market share. People want the Teslas. It's a choice.

 

[bigbob]

With the fire danger I would not park it in the garage let alone close to my house. I am working on a project with a Tesla roof and a seperate building the size of a large shed is being built for the batteries, proably 30' from the main building with exterior disconnects from the grid and the solar panels. This was recommended by the town fire department.

 

[Smellytele]

Just put in tombstones like at RV parks. No garage needed.

 

[1dog]

I don't know why government overreach bothers you. The new repubicans are taking over and will make america great again. you will have less govenment, more guns, less imagration and more bible for all. Just stick it out.

I will watch it all from my condo in the Dolimites and Chamonix

You mean the two places most devastated by increasing government? At least Italy has tourism left, ( and prayerfully, deep snow). France just has overabundance of work space laws and rampant illegal immigration. . . . wait. . . . . . imagine, riots because Macron raised retirement age to 62 from 60?
Seriously, have a great time, send pics.

 

[1dog]

With the fire danger I would not park it in the garage let alone close to my house. I am working on a project with a Tesla roof and a seperate building the size of a large shed is being built for the batteries, proably 30' from the main building with exterior disconnects from the grid and the solar panels. This was recommended by the town fire department.

Electric cars risk becoming uninsurable – ‘Difficulty pricing battery repairs forcing insurers to refuse cover’

Net Zero Samizdat 21 October 2023 1) Electric cars risk becoming uninsurable The Daily Telegraph, 21 October 2023 2) Nearly 50% of EV owners chose ICE vehicle for subsequent purchase, S&…

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[Hawk]

You mean the two places most devastated by increasing government? At least Italy has tourism left, ( and prayerfully, deep snow). France just has overabundance of work space laws and rampant illegal immigration. . . . wait. . . . . . imagine, riots because Macron raised retirement age to 62 from 60?
Seriously, have a great time, send pics.

I'm not going there because I like the politics. I gong there to ski, disconnect and get away from the disfunctional politics and growing divide in this country. I need a break. It's mind numbing.

 

[Hawk]

Perhaps with the great-great grandkid of this guy?

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I have no idea who that is. I bet most people would not either.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Just put in tombstones like at RV parks. No garage needed.

No garage needed; just tens-of-millions of tombstones.

 

[Smellytele]

I have no idea who that is. I bet most people would not either.

Mussolini?

 

[Smellytele]

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

From GM to Tesla to Mercedes, execs across the auto industry are tempering expectations on electric vehicles.

www.yahoo.com