For me, it was Vail screwing up and forcing me to look elsewhere. Swapped Epic for Indy + Gunstock for similar money. It has worked fantastic. Gunstock has better kids programs than Crotched and is 15-20 minutes closer to home for my quick hitter option. 1 hour vs 1:15-20. Now that Ragged has been added, it's even better as a NH based skier. I certainly miss being a Wildcat regular, but don't miss the constant frustrations with Vail. Indy price would have to shoot way up for me to consider going back to Epic. IKon is a poor option for day trips as a NH based skier