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Jay Peak bombshell

cdskier

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This is a rather bizarre discussion. The whole point of VT requiring a quarantine is so that you don't infect other people you come into contact with in case you are sick. If you go only to your own private residence and nowhere else, there's really no point in forcing you to stay there for 14 days before subsequently leaving the state. It is quite different from someone going to VT only for a day trip to ski where they are obviously out in public.

VT does address this specific point in their FAQ:
If I am staying in Vermont for less than the minimum quarantine time, may I still come to Vermont?

Yes, but only if you are in full quarantine at the lodging establishment or private residence in which you are staying while in Vermont. Quarantine means you do not leave the room or house in which you are staying and make no trips to the grocery store, restaurants or any other places where you will come in contact with others. Using lodging property amenities such as pools, spas, gyms, recreation equipment or other general use facilities is also not permitted.

So if someone goes to only their own residence to clean it out and does not come into contact with others, there's absolutely no requirement to stay "in quarantine" for 14 days before leaving VT. VT point blank says so.
 

fbrissette

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Curious why you chose Tremblant vs say Sutton or Orford? Wouldn't those areas offer a more Jay like experience than Tremblant?

I haven't skied any of them. I've just always been under the impression that Tremblant is something similar to say Stratton where as the Laurentians have more of the ungroomed and tree skiing experience Jay is known for.

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Your correct in your assessment of Orford and especially Sutton. Picked Tremblant because I have friends up there and because I'm going to BC for a week of backcountry skiing in February and before that I'll ski Sunshine, Lake louise and revelstoke, which are all on the Ikon pass. In addition, Tremblant will be less busy with winter because of travel restrictions.
 

deadheadskier

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Your correct in your assessment of Orford and especially Sutton. Picked Tremblant because I have friends up there and because I'm going to BC for a week of backcountry skiing in February and before that I'll ski Sunshine, Lake louise and revelstoke, which are all on the Ikon pass. In addition, Tremblant will be less busy with winter because of travel restrictions.
Domestic or International?

I know quite a few people who have skied Tremblant, but it's like a once every ten year thing just to check it out. I didn't think a vast amount of Americans made up the crazy crowds I read about there.

Either way, I hope you manage a great season given the circumstances. Hopefully all is reasonably back to normal at Jay for you next season.

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Domestic or International?

I know quite a few people who have skied Tremblant, but it's like a once every ten year thing just to check it out. I didn't think a vast amount of Americans made up the crazy crowds I read about there.

Either way, I hope you manage a great season given the circumstances. Hopefully all is reasonably back to normal at Jay for you next season.

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I assume more domestic traffic this year, but no internationals at all. This is quite puzzling to me, but there is a large number of Europeans who ski Tremblant and also a relatively large number of US skiers during the usual big holiday periods.
 

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So digital access is $3 for three months - here is the catch by most of these types of digital newspapers - it goes into automatic renewal until you cancel it. So unless to cancel after the story is read ot mark your calendar, you could be on the hook for more than $3 without even realizing it! They even put the paragraph in light gray and smaller font.
 

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This continues. Some of the lines in here are pure gold. Obvious conflicts of interest. Trying to make the fifth floor of a hotel a separate project in order to backfill shortfalls in other projects (said floor was already built and paid for by previous investors!). And once again makes VT officials look like Keystone Cops on the very least and fraudsters at most.


 
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Just read updates in this whole debacle for the first time in a year or so, still too bizarre. Cannot believe this was going on while The Hermitage was at the southern end of the state with in some ways very similar problems just on a far different scale. Makes you think about both the State of VT and the ski industry as a whole in a different light.
 

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Just read updates in this whole debacle for the first time in a year or so, still too bizarre. Cannot believe this was going on while The Hermitage was at the southern end of the state with in some ways very similar problems just on a far different scale. Makes you think about both the State of VT and the ski industry as a whole in a different light.
Is it just the ski industry?

There used to be this company called Enron...
 

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It's easy for there to be moral hazard when there is all this no/low interest foreign Eb-5 loan money flowing in. That money then gets tied up for longer than the 5 year loan term because the visa quotas are capped and the program is oversubscribed. For example, say China is allowed 10,000 green cards per year for the program, but there are 50,000 investors that have put in their money into different projects. Investors get put in line to get their green card and that wait can be up to 15+ years long. The money, however, remains tied up for that 15 year period of time and doesn't get repaid until they get their visa. It becomes free money to the resorts or any development corporation using it through the United States.

When Vermont got their regional center shut down, Mount Snow then had to repay their 52 million dollar loan for Carinthia project at the end of the 5 year loan term since the "material change" (shut down of the Vermont Regional Center) altered the investors applications so that they wouldn't receive a green card. That money would have been due in 2021 had Peaks not sold the company beforehand, but the reality that all developers know about, is that the no interest money gets extended by up to a decade while the investors wait for the green card.

Another problem lies when a state regulators are allowed to get paid as a contractors/advisors for the developers. For example, the Newport airport runway expansion was essential to the bio-medical facility. You need to fly in scientists. The state of Vermont knows that there is a pool of Federal funds available for 5000 foot runway expansions and this in theory improves Vermont infrastructure and is something they want. So the Vtrans airport regulator makes relationships with the developers and smooths the process through the Act 250 process by writing official letters in support of the project, sidestepping environmental concerns, and also receiving outside payment for this official act. The fraud continues to looks legit, more money flows in, state is happy.

Barnes tried the same runway expansion trick at the Dover airport to keep his fraud going, but when it was found out that none of the planes they planned on flying in would need that long of a runway, the whole scam unraveled. Thank goodness too. Just look at Newport with the airport's one room terminal, 5000 foot runway, and giant hole in their downtown.
 
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