KBL Damaged/Killington Damage Reports

[deadheadskier]

This will not be that big a deal in a month or two.

You're entitled to your opinion on flood insurance etc, but the only sense that this will not be a big deal in a month or two is that it won't be on the news. There are towns in NY, VT, NJ, VA, Carolinas, that won't be the same for YEARS.

 

[Puck it]

AdironRider may want to join in on some classes!!!

 

[bobbutts]

As someone who follows tropical forecasting pretty closely, I will tell you confidently that it's currently impossible to pinpoint the strength and accuracy of a storm coming up the east coast with enough lead time to avoid issues like this.
I don't envy the forecaster who has 100's of millions of dollars in preparation riding on his forecast or the emergency manager who has to make potentially life and death decisions based on that.
People who claimed the storm would be minimal (lacking any sound meteorology to back that up), or came in after the fact and criticized forecasts because conditions were mild in their backyards seem to fall into an ever increasing delusional group that believes they are more capable than everyone else, despite being completely lacking in knowledge and experience in whatever subject they're babbling about.

 

[Philpug]

AdironRider may want to join in on some classes!!!

Yep, it takes a very special type of person who can "put the ass in class"

 

[Glenn]

My friend Renee who lives in Wilmington, VT said numerous downtown business owners are looking to move on. It's just not worth it to rebuild their businesses. They didn't make a lot of money in the first place, so they plan on taking their insurance money and finding something else to do. I don't think that town will be the same as before the storm 5 years from now. I hope I'm wrong.

That will be tough for the area if it happens. After each economic downturn, the Valley recovers, but not quite to the level it was previously. Having more businesses close could really hurt things. I hope some owners choose to rebuild. But you can understand if they choose not too.

 

[Newpylong]

Flood insurance is a choice, and good one considered the only provider out there provides a nice subsidized rate. Why is this, cause its govt.

And the difference is a dumpster rental and some new drywall and those houses are habitable again. Just a little different.

The result of this storm may be either (or both): lenders requiring blanket flood insurance, or people just purchasing it as a precaution even if there is minimal chance of flooding (a "low" risk zone).

Drywall and a dumpster? Since when is a total loss rectified by a trip to home depot? When the roads are re-opened I suggest going for a road trip to the 802 to take a look at what I am taking about.

 

[AdironRider]

You're entitled to your opinion on flood insurance etc, but the only sense that this will not be a big deal in a month or two is that it won't be on the news. There are towns in NY, VT, NJ, VA, Carolinas, that won't be the same for YEARS.

People said this after each ice storm. Hurricane Andrew, Bob, etc. The sky did not fall.

What happened, oh yeah life was the same a few months later. Will the same trees all be standing, no, but life moves on. Bridges will be rebuilt, and by next spring once the winter meltoff occurs, noone will know the difference between a rivers old and new course. My hometown of Exeter has flooded 5 times in the last 15 years. Outside of a nice quick uptick for the local contractors accounting books, there is no evidence left of any of them. Two tornados have touched down, outside of the new lookout tower at Stratham Hill Park, you would never know. The Walgreens that lost its roof in the other was open for business the next week.

To think that this is going to be the economic lynchpin for Vermont is laughable though. The leaves will turn, snow will fall, and the tourists will return. If Killington opens in October, noone will be discussing this, outside of they cant get a beer at the Superstar Pub.

My point, is that people are calling this a tragedy, when in reality its a big inconveinience.

Still doesnt discredit the people who lost their lives. That is sad and inexcusable.

 

[drjeff]

As someone who follows tropical forecasting pretty closely, I will tell you confidently that it's currently impossible to pinpoint the strength and accuracy of a storm coming up the east coast with enough lead time to avoid issues like this.
I don't envy the forecaster who has 100's of millions of dollars in preparation riding on his forecast or the emergency manager who has to make potentially life and death decisions based on that.
People who claimed the storm would be minimal (lacking any sound meteorology to back that up), or came in after the fact and criticized forecasts because conditions were mild in their backyards seem to fall into an ever increasing delusional group that believes they are more capable than everyone else, despite being completely lacking in knowledge and experience in whatever subject they're babbling about.

Very true words. And what is even crazier to think is the from a track forcast standpoint, the meterologists at the National Hurricane Center nailed this one! In a sense the intensity difference isn't all that unlike what happens in a Nor'easter where ahead of time, you can get the track fairly well, but what you can't really predict all that well is exactly where those heavier bands will set up that in a Nor'easter can be the difference between a 10-12" snowfall and an 18-20" snowfall

 

[Geoff]

The result of this storm may be either (or both): lenders requiring blanket flood insurance, or people just purchasing it as a precaution even if there is minimal chance of flooding (a "low" risk zone).

Drywall and a dumpster? Since when is a total loss rectified by a trip to home depot? When the roads are re-opened I suggest going for a road trip to the 802 to take a look at what I am taking about.

I had the hot water feed to my washing machine burst and run for 2 weeks in my summer place. It was isolated to less than half the house and it was a $10,000 insurance claim. The mold remediation people had to come in in HazMat suits. The floor & subfloor had to be replaced. The walls and insulation had to be ripped out and replaced.

If you have 4 feet of water in the living area of your house, it's a massive project. The kitchen is gone. The heat is gone. Hot water heater is gone. You replace all the appliances. The electrical is gone and you have to mostly rewire. Anything plywood failed so you probably have to re-sheath the sides of the house. If you have flood insurance, it's a $50,000+ bill for a small house and it will often be cheaper to knock it down and start over. If you're not carrying flood insurance, you likely mail the keys to the bank.

 

[skiadikt]

People said this after each ice storm. Hurricane Andrew, Bob, etc. The sky did not fall.

What happened, oh yeah life was the same a few months later. Will the same trees all be standing, no, but life moves on. Bridges will be rebuilt, and by next spring once the winter meltoff occurs, noone will know the difference between a rivers old and new course. My hometown of Exeter has flooded 5 times in the last 15 years. Outside of a nice quick uptick for the local contractors accounting books, there is no evidence left of any of them. Two tornados have touched down, outside of the new lookout tower at Stratham Hill Park, you would never know. The Walgreens that lost its roof in the other was open for business the next week.

To think that this is going to be the economic lynchpin for Vermont is laughable though. The leaves will turn, snow will fall, and the tourists will return. If Killington opens in October, noone will be discussing this, outside of they cant get a beer at the Superstar Pub.

My point, is that people are calling this a tragedy, when in reality its a big inconveinience.

Still doesnt discredit the people who lost their lives. That is sad and inexcusable.

feel free to ignore the "hype" when the next storm comes and best of luck to you ...

 

[AdironRider]

Fine by me, I know when push comes to shove, all Ive got is myself anyways. More people need to live this way.

And look at the economic impact thread, reports are already coming out that they are making massive headway fixing things up. River Road pretty much just needs new blacktop.

 

[Philpug]

To think that this is going to be the economic lynchpin for Vermont is laughable though. The leaves will turn, snow will fall, and the tourists will return. If Killington opens in October, noone will be discussing this, outside of they cant get a beer at the Superstar Pub.

My point, is that people are calling this a tragedy, when in reality its a big inconveinience.

I really want to sniff the bait and swim a way but I am sometimes attracted to sunny objects and have to bite. Of course Vermont will not post a "Gone out of business" sign and of course the leaves will turn as they have since the dawn of time but if there are no tourists to see the leaves change and people cannot get their business's back up and running, bills will not be able to be paid. You miss your mortgage for 4 months and see what the bank says. These people will not be able to pay their bills.

This is more than just an "inconvenience", seriously, how removed from reality are you?

 

[AdironRider]

So now I have to feel bad for their poor financial planning? Cry me a river.

This isnt the first natural disaster to hit the Northeast. Little kids werent in the streets starving.

 

[Black Phantom]

So now I have to feel bad for their poor financial planning? Cry me a river.

This isnt the first natural disaster to hit the Northeast. Little kids werent in the streets starving.

wow

 

[farlep99]

So now I have to feel bad for their poor financial planning? Cry me a river.

This isnt the first natural disaster to hit the Northeast. Little kids werent in the streets starving.

Wow is right. Dude, way out of line. Poor financial planning? I'm sure when your house (or business) gets wiped out, you have a huge cash reserve to live off of along with that 100% insurance coverage. Good luck. Having your home or business wiped out has absolutely nothing to do with financial planning. No one can plan for a once in a generation natural disaster.

I'm pissed at myself for even dignifying any of this with a response. I feel your pain Philpug

 

[AdironRider]

So Im supposed to be the first one to mention an emergency fund to you people. Ive got 6 months expenses socked away, so yes, if this did happen to me, Id be just fine. Its called responsibility.
Theres a lot of doom and gloom forecasting in this thread. Already people have reported that recovery is happening way faster than anyone (well I guess except me) expected. To say people have lost everything at this point is far fetched.

As I mentioned before, this isnt the first natural disaster to hit NE. The ice storm damage was far more widespread, and oh yeah that happened in the dead of winter, where not having shelter is a little more of a problem, and people got by.

Were only a couple days out of this inconvienience, lets not assume every business in VT is going to close up shop.

 

[Philpug]

I'm pissed at myself for even dignifying any of this with a response. I feel your pain Philpug

Right?!? I hope for this guys sake, he is trying to troll here, because if he REALLY feels this way and this is the way he views other people...I almost feel as bad for his social circle (and family) as I do for the people who are suffering from this storm. Ignorance know no bounds.

 

[Nick]

So now I have to feel bad for their poor financial planning? Cry me a river.

This isnt the first natural disaster to hit the Northeast. Little kids werent in the streets starving.

Obviously we are talking about VT here, not southern New England, where I agree it was more of an inconvenience.

It's not about winning. Was Katrina worse? Yes. But this is also horrible and definitely will have long term impacts and financial repercussions to the state. :smash:

 

[Warp Daddy]

Just ignore the troll dammit - opinions are like rear ends he has one BFD

 

[AdironRider]

Right?!? I hope for this guys sake, he is trying to troll here, because if he REALLY feels this way and this is the way he views other people...I almost feel as bad for his social circle (and family) as I do for the people who are suffering from this storm. Ignorance know no bounds.

You dont know me, or my family. So kindly STFU before you bring them into the equasion. I have yet to make a personal attack on anyone here, especially about their family and friends.

All Im saying is that people are making this out to be the end of Vermont. Were two-three days after the fact here, and positive reports are already flowing out from locals.

I think before everyone lays over and crys uncle and waits for a bailout, lessons should be learned on personal responsibility. As Ive outlined previously, Ive gone through at least seven natural disasters in my hometown. Each time we stood up strong due to being prepared both physically and financially. I think its a little early to assume nothing will ever be the same.