Killington arresting skiers?

[AdironRider]

All of those are arguments based on ownership. Nearly all of the Killington resort is on public land. People are choosing to do this at Killington BECAUSE it's on public land. Do you see throngs of people swarming to ANY other ski area to do this? Newp. Killington was built around the concept of being part of peoples life. Part of Vermont skiing. I know, others will disagree and say other mountains are part of it, but Killington was BUILT UP around this concept and this feeling.

People are swaming to Killington because theyre laying down the product in terms of snow. Everyone knows they have the most powerful system in the East, so theyre going there to try and take advantage of it, not because its on public land. Theyre using the public land argument as a crutch to legitimize their activity.

 

[tcharron]

People are swaming to Killington because theyre laying down the product in terms of snow. Everyone knows they have the most powerful system in the East, so theyre going there to try and take advantage of it, not because its on public land. Theyre using the public land argument as a crutch to legitimize their activity.

Then I suppose we agree to disagree. People have done this sort of thing at Killington for years. As a matter of fact, they also tend to do it *AFTER* killington has closed for the season, and aren't making snow. As an example, here is a link where people where earning their turns 2 years ago, before Killington had made ANY snow

http://www.iheartskiing.com/ski/?p=57

It happens. Yes, there are some of the people who just want to get free ski on. But don't lump everyone together. Even so, it's not like they're not paying for something they COULD pay for.

 

[awf170]

Do you see throngs of people swarming to ANY other ski area to do this? Newp.

Huh? Stowe has had way more early and late season hikers for years. I bet Jay has them beat too.

 

[tcharron]

Huh? Stowe has had way more early and late season hikers for years. I bet Jay has them beat too.

Ok, hikers vs earn your turns skiers. :-D

 

[riverc0il]

Huh? Stowe has had way more early and late season hikers for years. I bet Jay has them beat too.

Jay had so many hikers on Vermonter that all the natural snow was completely packed down. I would estimate at least a hundred people have skied/rode Jay this past long weekend.

 

[awf170]

Ok, hikers vs earn your turns skiers. :-D

I meant earn your turn skiers, not people hiking without skis.

 

[tcharron]

I meant earn your turn skiers, not people hiking without skis.

Ok, either way, it undermines the argument that people head to Killington to free ski on such awesome snowmaking. People do so because they WANT experience the 'earn your turns'.

 

[AdironRider]

No it doesnt considering Jay and Stowe are the next best bets considering the location and the amount of natural snowfall. People earn their turns at these places cause the snow is there. Stowe and Jay have the natural and Killington is manmade.

 

[tcharron]

No it doesnt considering Jay and Stowe are the next best bets considering the location and the amount of natural snowfall. People earn their turns at these places cause the snow is there. Stowe and Jay have the natural and Killington is manmade.

:blink:

Ok, so basically, your of the belief that you don't ski it unless you pay for it I guess.

 

[tjf67]

:blink:

Ok, so basically, your of the belief that you don't ski it unless you pay for it I guess.

No I think he is saying you dont ski unless there is snow. AHAHAA

 

[JD]

I ask again, why would you hike to ski under the guns? Talk about not getting it. And I have to agree with Killington on this one. Just stay away from where they are working, it's dangerous. Cats zooming around. High pressure hoses, dangerous man made that can change in consistancy from one gun to the next.


A resort can tell you where you can and can't ski IF YOU ARE A PASS HOLDER. I've had this conversation with patrolers at Stowe and on Mansi, where they lease the land, if you aren't riding the lifts, you're free to go where ever you want. Duck ropes, whatever. That being said, the last thing I would do is skin up to go ski in the area they are blowing.

This conversation kills me though. Pretty funny.

 

[JimG.]

I ask again, why would you hike to ski under the guns? Talk about not getting it. And I have to agree with Killington on this one. Just stay away from where they are working, it's dangerous. Cats zooming around. High pressure hoses, dangerous man made that can change in consistancy from one gun to the next.


A resort can tell you where you can and can't ski IF YOU ARE A PASS HOLDER. I've had this conversation with patrolers at Stowe and on Mansi, where they lease the land, if you aren't riding the lifts, you're free to go where ever you want. Duck ropes, whatever. That being said, the last thing I would do is skin up to go ski in the area they are blowing.

This conversation kills me though. Pretty funny.

At this point I am speechless.

Which is very rare.

 

[salida]

Huh? Stowe has had way more early and late season hikers for years. I bet Jay has them beat too.

There were bumps forming at Stowe on Saturday on Nosedive.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Ok, hikers vs earn your turns skiers. :-D

ummmm you have to hike first in order to earn those turns. Your prior comment/question

Do you see throngs of people swarming to ANY other ski area to do this?

implies that kmart is the center of the world in Vermont/NE regarding folks who hike up to get early season turns. You are suffering from kmart tunnel vision from which visiting some other resorts will surely cure. Sure, by being the biggest resort they are going to get a bunch but it's pretty much the same story at most every other resort.

For safety reasons and the desire to avoid lawsuits from injury many of the major resorts are restricting folks from hiking up to ski, especially the terrain being worked. I don't think by this weekend there will be too many resorts having skiable terrain unless it's in those areas plus with enough resorts opening this weekend this whole thing will be moot anyway.

 

[JD]

SRO...Yes. There are throngs of people hiking for turns at alot of areas.
Jim. I rendered you speechless? THAT is amazing.
I have no love for cooperate ski areas, but I feel for the vermonters out there trying to work and do their jobs while a bunch of people are getting in their way. The last thing they want to do is turn us into pink stains on the ski trail. Let them work. If there's natural snow cover, go ski it.
As a chef, I liken it to the wait staff coming back intot the kitchen and eating all our prep before dinner service has even started. I learned early on no to eat preped food. I snacked on a piece of pancetta that my boss was shaving oh-so-carefully by hand. Only time I've ever been punched in the kitchen. Waiters are more then welcome to make themselves whatever they want to eat, just don't take our Mis en place.
Same here. No one would give a crap if you were skiing natural snow off in some corner of the resrot. But to go and ski off what they are trying to build up pisses them off. Plus they have to drive a huge dangerous machine around you? Carzy. If I was a snowmaker working all freaking night to build base to get the lifts running, and I watched a bunch of jonsers hike the death ribbon all day, undoing what you slaved at all night to build up, I'd complain to my boss too. I imagine that is where the pressure is coming from to stop hiking for man made.

 

[millerm277]

I ask again, why would you hike to ski under the guns? Talk about not getting it. And I have to agree with Killington on this one. Just stay away from where they are working, it's dangerous. Cats zooming around. High pressure hoses, dangerous man made that can change in consistancy from one gun to the next.

Yes, but they weren't making snow on all of the trails at once, and any half-competent person should be able to see if work is being done or not.

A resort can tell you where you can and can't ski IF YOU ARE A PASS HOLDER. I've had this conversation with patrolers at Stowe and on Mansi, where they lease the land, if you aren't riding the lifts, you're free to go where ever you want. Duck ropes, whatever. That being said, the last thing I would do is skin up to go ski in the area they are blowing.

Right, when you sign that pass/ticket agreement, you agree to abide by whatever rules Killington has. If you don't, they have the authority to revoke your pass/ticket.

The hikers that I've seen at Killington have never caused problems, and typically hike up trails that don't have snow on them yet anyway. Also, I know of at least a hiker or two that was actually helpful to the mountain, as they noticed a couple of leaks in pipes along the trail they were hiking that could have potentially resulted in big problems if they hadn't been reported.

 

[tcharron]

ummmm you have to hike first in order to earn those turns. Your prior comment/question implies that kmart is the center of the world in Vermont/NE regarding folks who hike up to get early season turns. You are suffering from kmart tunnel vision from which visiting some other resorts will surely cure. Sure, by being the biggest resort they are going to get a bunch but it's pretty much the same story at most every other resort.

For safety reasons and the desire to avoid lawsuits from injury many of the major resorts are restricting folks from hiking up to ski, especially the terrain being worked. I don't think by this weekend there will be too many resorts having skiable terrain unless it's in those areas plus with enough resorts opening this weekend this whole thing will be moot anyway.

I'm not, personally. I was trying to devils advocate the perspective of the people who DO have the kmart tunnel vision.

 

[JimG.]

SRO...Yes. There are throngs of people hiking for turns at alot of areas.
Jim. I rendered you speechless? THAT is amazing.
I have no love for cooperate ski areas, but I feel for the vermonters out there trying to work and do their jobs while a bunch of people are getting in their way. The last thing they want to do is turn us into pink stains on the ski trail. Let them work. If there's natural snow cover, go ski it.
As a chef, I liken it to the wait staff coming back intot the kitchen and eating all our prep before dinner service has even started. I learned early on no to eat preped food. I snacked on a piece of pancetta that my boss was shaving oh-so-carefully by hand. Only time I've ever been punched in the kitchen. Waiters are more then welcome to make themselves whatever they want to eat, just don't take our Mis en place.
Same here. No one would give a crap if you were skiing natural snow off in some corner of the resrot. But to go and ski off what they are trying to build up pisses them off. Plus they have to drive a huge dangerous machine around you? Carzy. If I was a snowmaker working all freaking night to build base to get the lifts running, and I watched a bunch of jonsers hike the death ribbon all day, undoing what you slaved at all night to build up, I'd complain to my boss too. I imagine that is where the pressure is coming from to stop hiking for man made.

Sorry JD, I was agreeing with you.

It's the opposing viewpoint I don't get. They asked for people to refrain from hiking for turns. Simple request. The storm of opposition is hard to understand.

For me, and I guess you too.

 

[tcharron]

Sorry JD, I was agreeing with you.

It's the opposing viewpoint I don't get. They asked for people to refrain from hiking for turns. Simple request. The storm of opposition is hard to understand.

For me, and I guess you too.

It's not that. It's the 'please dont ski ANYWHERE on the mountain at all. If you do, we'll take you skis, your passes, your family jewels, and beat you up around the corner'.

Just feels nicely asking the neighbors to trim their damned tree branches, while at the same time holding back with a choke collar a very angry and possibly rabid beaver from the very tree.

 

[AdironRider]

It's not that. It's the 'please dont ski ANYWHERE on the mountain at all. If you do, we'll take you skis, your passes, your family jewels, and beat you up around the corner'.

Just feels nicely asking the neighbors to trim their damned tree branches, while at the same time holding back with a choke collar a very angry and possibly rabid beaver from the very tree.

I think its the fac that everyone is getting all up in a fuss about the loss of passes, when that actually hasnt happened yet is what hes refering to here.