Killington: "maximize the spend."

[RootDKJ]

I like the skiing at Killington, in general, and have a pretty good time there, regardless of how they run the mountain. It bothers me that they don't run the mountain particularly well.....

...and being one of the top 30 skiers at Killington must be pretty cool also

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

...and being one of the top 30 skiers at Killington must be pretty cool also

he must get so much groupie love..unfortunately his groupies are middle aged men..

 

[Highway Star]

correct

You guys don't make good points.

 

[RootDKJ]

he must get so much groupie love..unfortunately his groupies are middle aged men..

with a mug like this, I'm sure he's got groupies out the ass....oh whoops!

 

[Geoff]

The plans they have been submitting for the village don't have enough commercial space to keep the spending within the village. The proposal is only for 33,500 square feet of commercial space.

To put it in perspective, the bigger ski shops at Killington are pushing 10,000 square feet. Aspen East claims 9,000. The Grist Mill, Wobbly Barn, and Pickel Barrel all have to be up around 20,000 to 30,000 square feet. A typical small retail storefront will occupy about 1000 square feet. A restaurant of any consequence requires at least 5,000 square feet. 33,500 square feet of commercial space is tiny and won't particularly impact business on the Access Road.

If they follow the plan they have been submitting and put the commercial space inside their "gated community" village, nobody is going to be able to get to it. No parking means no retail sales. Those businesses aren't going to open until Snowshed opens on Thanksgiving and they'll slam the doors shut on April 1. I don't see how anyone could possibly make a go of it in that location.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

with a mug like this, I'm sure he's got groupies out the ass....oh whoops!

Oh no, not Alfonso..crazy mo-fo..

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

The plans they have been submitting for the village don't have enough commercial space to keep the spending within the village. The proposal is only for 33,500 square feet of commercial space.

To put it in perspective, the bigger ski shops at Killington are pushing 10,000 square feet. Aspen East claims 9,000. The Grist Mill, Wobbly Barn, and Pickel Barrel all have to be up around 20,000 to 30,000 square feet. A typical small retail storefront will occupy about 1000 square feet. A restaurant of any consequence requires at least 5,000 square feet. 33,500 square feet of commercial space is tiny and won't particularly impact business on the Access Road.

If they follow the plan they have been submitting and put the commercial space inside their "gated community" village, nobody is going to be able to get to it. No parking means no retail sales. Those businesses aren't going to open until Snowshed opens on Thanksgiving and they'll slam the doors shut on April 1. I don't see how anyone could possibly make a go of it in that location.

Why don't they just build something to rival the Mall of America..if they build it..they will come..or at least the goobers..

 

[deadheadskier]

You guys don't make good points.

I wasn't trying to make my own point just making your own point for you.

HS: Killington does a horrible job running a business. WWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH< WWWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, WWWAAAAHHHHHHHHH.

but you continue to spend money there. If Killington runs a poor business model then you are the definition of FAIL as a consumer.

I don't even have to make this point. You prove this point all on your own repeatedly over and over and over so bad, all the ground hogs in the world stop to take notes.

I completely recognize that it is unnecessary to make any points for you. I'll never achieve the legendary levels of FAIL that you do at pretty much everything. Consider my entrance to your lame repeated conversations about the same crap day in and day out as a STFU Highwaystar; NO ONE BUT YOU GIVES A CRAP

So you sir, thanks for playing :lol:

 

[Highway Star]

Obviously, you care. Maybe a little too much.

As a consumer, I am the win. I get to ski at the biggest mountain in the east at far less than the going rate.

Let me break this down for you. You claimed that I still spent money at Killington resort, yet I don't like it. Your point is not valid, because I spend a SMALL amount at the resort, which is certainly a worth while expense for what I get - infact, I am ripping them off. I do like skiing there, even though the mountain is poorly run (relatively).

I do like the town of Killiington and spend much more money there.

Your post is silly. Dumb even. You = Fail.

 

[tcharron]

Obviously, you care. Maybe a little too much.

As a consumer, I am the win. I get to ski at the biggest mountain in the east at far less than the going rate.

Your post is silly. Dumb even. You = Fail.

And yet, you're here, talking to us..

Please, Mr Marionette, dance for us some more.

 

[Highway Star]

I find this all ironic, and you all moronic.

 

[tcharron]

I find this all ironic, and you all moronic.

OOh Ho HeeHee! He comes to speak to us more!

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

and yet, you're here, talking to us..

Please, mr marionette, dance for us some more.

lmbfao!!!

 

[faceplant]

I find this all ironic, and you all moronic.

shoot kid- just when i thought youd matured up a little-

the ol internet aspergers syndrome comes out again
http://www.cracked.com/article_17522_p2.ht

 

[dbking]

Unless you own a business there, you should be happy about their poor business objectives. I used to rant about all the stupid things I see at the ski hill I was at. But I don't really care about their money. I don't want more people at the hill. I hope they have a terrible time here and never come back. I want shorter liftlines and more untracked powder. I am totally selfish. An inept ski area might be the best thing for a skier... until they close due to lack of business!
As one of the top 30 gapers at Killington, don't they listen to your opinions?

 

[SpinmasterK]

Here is a copy of the email I sent the reporter on Monday to clarify the story. In addition, she failed to use the proper context of my quote, which is listed below:

Cristina,
Thanks for the story on the Killington Village in Sunday's Rutland Herald. Although the headline and title header were somewhat misleading (I know that you don't have any control over that), overall it was a great story with a variety of viewpoints from a number of sources. However, there are a few clarifications that we would like to point out:

"Today, Killington finds itself wrestling with the latest and largest proposal for ski resort expansion ever presented to town planners and residents — a 408-acre mix of condominiums, new ski lodges, retail shops, and nearly everything else needed for the ideal family vacation, from an indoor water park and movie theater to an art gallery."

As we stated in our meeting with you and Bruce a few weeks ago, this is NOT the largest proposal. In fact, it is significantly smaller than the ASC proposal. In addition, the inclusion of a water park, theater and art gallery are not part of the overall project application. These are items that are listed in the Town of Killington's zoning regulation.

Thanks for using sales tax as a quantifier, however, the following statement needs clarification.

"In 2008, Killington made roughly $101 million on skier visits - from meals, rooms, alcohol and retail sales, according to the state Department of Taxes."

Need to quantify this time period, full year? November to April? Also, should be stated that this is Town of Killington sales tax.

Paragraph 7, the ownership structure is inaccurate and misleading:

"In the midst of a deep recession, the Utah-based company that owns the resort and the Texas-based financier and partner charged with developing the ski village plan are hoping to convince the town that their 25-year building plan will stand the test of hard times and make the area prosper with more skiers who will spend more money."

Correct ownership structure is Killington/Pico Ski Resort Partners, LLC for the mountain operation and SP Land Company, LLC for the Village Development project.

Finally, my quote was taken out of context: "Killington Resort spokesman Tom Horrocks confirmed that the goal of Killington's village is to "maximize the spend.""
My comment to you on June 25 during our phone conversation was ,: " ... as a community, we all need to look at ways to maximize what our quest spends from the resort all the way down the access road while they are here."

As always, please feel free to contact me regarding fact-checking and clarification.
Best regards,
Tom

 

[RootDKJ]

Enter Highwaystar in 3...2...1

 

[tcharron]

Enter Highwaystar in 3...2...1

Be patient, it might take him a bit.

He never did quite master the whole 'counting' thing.

 

[RootDKJ]

Be patient, it might take him a bit.

He never did quite master the whole 'counting' thing.

Enter Highwaystar in 1...1...1...1...1...1...1

Ok, I fixed it.:idea:

 

[thetrailboss]

Here is a copy of the email I sent the reporter on Monday to clarify the story. In addition, she failed to use the proper context of my quote, which is listed below:

Cristina,
Thanks for the story on the Killington Village in Sunday's Rutland Herald. Although the headline and title header were somewhat misleading (I know that you don't have any control over that), overall it was a great story with a variety of viewpoints from a number of sources. However, there are a few clarifications that we would like to point out:

"Today, Killington finds itself wrestling with the latest and largest proposal for ski resort expansion ever presented to town planners and residents — a 408-acre mix of condominiums, new ski lodges, retail shops, and nearly everything else needed for the ideal family vacation, from an indoor water park and movie theater to an art gallery."

As we stated in our meeting with you and Bruce a few weeks ago, this is NOT the largest proposal. In fact, it is significantly smaller than the ASC proposal. In addition, the inclusion of a water park, theater and art gallery are not part of the overall project application. These are items that are listed in the Town of Killington's zoning regulation.

Thanks for using sales tax as a quantifier, however, the following statement needs clarification.

"In 2008, Killington made roughly $101 million on skier visits - from meals, rooms, alcohol and retail sales, according to the state Department of Taxes."

Need to quantify this time period, full year? November to April? Also, should be stated that this is Town of Killington sales tax.

Paragraph 7, the ownership structure is inaccurate and misleading:

"In the midst of a deep recession, the Utah-based company that owns the resort and the Texas-based financier and partner charged with developing the ski village plan are hoping to convince the town that their 25-year building plan will stand the test of hard times and make the area prosper with more skiers who will spend more money."

Correct ownership structure is Killington/Pico Ski Resort Partners, LLC for the mountain operation and SP Land Company, LLC for the Village Development project.

Finally, my quote was taken out of context: "Killington Resort spokesman Tom Horrocks confirmed that the goal of Killington's village is to "maximize the spend.""
My comment to you on June 25 during our phone conversation was ,: " ... as a community, we all need to look at ways to maximize what our quest spends from the resort all the way down the access road while they are here."

As always, please feel free to contact me regarding fact-checking and clarification.
Best regards,
Tom

Can't beat having the actual rep comment. Thanks for chiming in, spinmaster.